Notice that all Republican "rising stars" this century have been massive duds?
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2015, 08:15:03 PM »

Crab's post makes me wonder: Why do rising stars of both parties turn out to be duds?

Hype that cannot possibly be lived up to, what else...usually always gets the best of 'em.

Obama, Jimmy Carter in the 70's, they are the exceptions not the rule.
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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2015, 09:30:50 PM »

It doesn't matter because the Republican Party of Hate is dead at the national level so state level offices are as far as they can "rise" anyway.

How's that control of Congress thing working out for y'all again?
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« Reply #27 on: September 01, 2015, 09:57:15 PM »

Please. Those are state and local elections and really only because of GOP-controlled  state legislatures, like I said.
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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2015, 10:36:04 PM »

Most "rising stars" are overhyped. Remember all the buzz about Mark freaking Warner?
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2015, 05:31:04 PM »

The main recent "rising star" of the Democratic Party was Barack Obama. A glorious two term presidency is all that needs to be said.
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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2015, 08:08:27 PM »

Why is the Democratic party so bad at organizing locally though? It seems like a self-fulfilling prophesy that some of the Democrats here have.
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2015, 09:15:39 PM »

Rubio still has a chance.

I don't know what's more embarrassing: the fact that Democratic rising stars all got knocked out in 2010 and 2014, or the fact that GOP rising stars turn out to be complete jokes.
Which Democratic "rising stars" got knocked out? I don't recall having any.

Alison Grimes, Herseth Sandlin, Ed Fitzgerald (lmao), Wendy Davis, Kathleen Kane (LMFAOO), Anthony Weiner were all hyped up as future stars before their bubbles burst either through defeat or scandal. I think 90% of all rising stars turn out to be duds.

Err...no one ever considered FitzGerald a rising star. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2015, 09:34:53 PM »

Rubio still has a chance.

I don't know what's more embarrassing: the fact that Democratic rising stars all got knocked out in 2010 and 2014, or the fact that GOP rising stars turn out to be complete jokes.
Which Democratic "rising stars" got knocked out? I don't recall having any.

Alison Grimes, Herseth Sandlin, Ed Fitzgerald (lmao), Wendy Davis, Kathleen Kane (LMFAOO), Anthony Weiner were all hyped up as future stars before their bubbles burst either through defeat or scandal. I think 90% of all rising stars turn out to be duds.
Aren't those people who were never elected in the first place (as Senator/Governor anyways), not "knocked out"?
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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2015, 11:02:41 PM »

Don't forget to mention Sen. George Allen. He was supposed to be a strong favorite for the 2008 nomination before he opened his big mouth.
Yeah pretty much ruined his political career.
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« Reply #34 on: September 03, 2015, 01:27:54 PM »

Why is the Democratic party so bad at organizing locally though? It seems like a self-fulfilling prophesy that some of the Democrats here have.

Democrats dominated state legislatures, county government, and Congress for so long they got lazy. Now they're wiped out on all levels.
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« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2015, 03:01:41 PM »

Rubio still has a chance.

I don't know what's more embarrassing: the fact that Democratic rising stars all got knocked out in 2010 and 2014, or the fact that GOP rising stars turn out to be complete jokes.
Which Democratic "rising stars" got knocked out? I don't recall having any.

Alison Grimes, Herseth Sandlin, Ed Fitzgerald (lmao), Wendy Davis, Kathleen Kane (LMFAOO), Anthony Weiner were all hyped up as future stars before their bubbles burst either through defeat or scandal. I think 90% of all rising stars turn out to be duds.

Exactly the phrase "rising star" should be exclusive for those who actually win and rise within their ranks, not when they get a national spotlight.
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« Reply #36 on: September 03, 2015, 07:47:01 PM »

Crab's post makes me wonder: Why do rising stars of both parties turn out to be duds?
Most politicians never get to be President.

And if you run for enough elections, eventually you'll lose.
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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2015, 09:47:34 AM »



Speaking of Dem Rising Stars wasn't Governor Bruce Babbit(D-AZ) supposed to be President one day back in the 80's? Remember the Gary Hart(D-CO) flameout in the 1988 Presidential Dem Primary and than basically his political career was over after that.

"this century" per OP.
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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2015, 12:34:13 PM »

Why is the Democratic party so bad at organizing locally though? It seems like a self-fulfilling prophesy that some of the Democrats here have.

Democrats dominated state legislatures, county government, and Congress for so long they got lazy. Now they're wiped out on all levels.
Yeah but the Dems were still competitive in the 1990's and 2000's on the local level and in Congress and  by 2000 they had cut the GOP advantage to 223-212 in the US House. They gained 4 US Senate Seats in the 2000 Election even though they lost the Presidency. I do believe "ObamaCare" killed the Dems on the local level in 2010. The Dems will probably gain at the local level if whenever  a GOP President gets elected. The Presidents Party during their tenure always loses at the local level unless the Presidents name was Ronald Reagan. I don't think it can get much worse for the Dems at the Local Level.
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« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2016, 11:04:33 PM »
« Edited: March 18, 2016, 11:06:09 PM by White Light »

I feel like Ayotte and Rubio definitely aren't duds.

BOOM! It continues!

(Kind of interesting that another supposed rising star basically took him down in a kamikaze attack.)
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« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2016, 01:14:28 AM »

A lot of rising stars end up effectively bottled somewhere when there isn't an obvious advancement path.

Cory Booker is going to get totally stale as a nonentity New Jersey Senator and no one will remember that we used to think he was going places.

If Julian Castro isn't VP, he's probably out of politics. There's simply nothing for him to run for in Texas.
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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2016, 01:48:56 AM »

in the past 50 years only two rising stars became presidents : Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama
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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2016, 11:33:17 AM »

in the past 50 years only two rising stars became presidents : Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama

Reagan wasn't a rising star when he ran in 1980.
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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2016, 12:03:57 PM »

I feel like Ayotte and Rubio definitely aren't duds.

BOOM! It continues!

(Kind of interesting that another supposed rising star basically took him down in a kamikaze attack.)

Indeed, my own hypothesis was proven incorrect!
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« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2016, 12:12:43 PM »

in the past 50 years only two rising stars became presidents : Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama

Reagan wasn't a rising star when he ran in 1980.

But he was a rising star in the 70s
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« Reply #45 on: March 19, 2016, 12:16:47 PM »

in the past 50 years only two rising stars became presidents : Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama

Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush say hello.
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« Reply #46 on: March 19, 2016, 12:19:23 PM »

Let's give Ted Cruz some credit - even if he doesn't win the nomination, he got a lot further than I think most thought he would in his run for President. So I guess he wasn't a dud.
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« Reply #47 on: March 19, 2016, 01:49:43 PM »

in the past 50 years only two rising stars became presidents : Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama

Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush say hello.

It could be argued that they were also duds, based on their presidencies.
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« Reply #48 on: March 19, 2016, 02:00:44 PM »

In politics like most organizations the hierarchy is a pyramid with far more spots near the base than near the peak. Presumably a rising star is recognized when they've moved up from the base but not to the peak. The statistics alone suggest that most such people will never find the timing or opportunity to find a place in the upper ranks. So most rising stars will necessarily end up as duds if judged by how high they might have been expected to rise if everything worked to their advantage.
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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2016, 02:54:46 PM »

I feel like Ayotte and Rubio definitely aren't duds.

Hillarious in hindsight.
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