Post-mortem: Did Sanders run a good campaign?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 22, 2024, 10:17:58 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Election Archive
  Election Archive
  2016 U.S. Presidential Election
  Post-mortem: Did Sanders run a good campaign?
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 [3]
Poll
Question: -skip-
#1
Yes
 
#2
No
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 111

Author Topic: Post-mortem: Did Sanders run a good campaign?  (Read 3352 times)
°Leprechaun
tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,246
Uruguay


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2016, 11:04:09 AM »

Good yes. In many ways. It could have been better. He is still running and seems to care about getting DC voters to vote for him, although their votes won't matter now that Clinton has become inevitable. I don't know when he (or if) he will drop out. He has said that he will stay in until the Convention, but he could change his mind after the votes are counted in DC.
Logged
Nhoj
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,224
United States


Political Matrix
E: 2.52, S: -7.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2016, 11:27:26 AM »

Oh yes closing off the primary sounds like a fantastic idea. Let's NEVER consult independents on who we nominate.
Its not even functionally possible to make states like WI and MN closed. no one is gonna spend millions of dollars to change our system completely.
Logged
bballrox4717
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 949


Political Matrix
E: -4.13, S: -3.65

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2016, 11:33:43 AM »

Yes.

He capitalized on the anger of the left that felt Obama did not do enough to advance liberal policies, and identified it even though many believed it was a small enough minority of the party that it wouldn't have an impact on the Hillary train.

His main problem was that he couldn't expand his message to older and minority voters who were naturally skeptical. Sanders didn't articulate how he was going to get his ideas passed beyond a "political revolution," and he didn't bother to make the friends necessary in Congress to give legitimacy to his ideas. He also could not control the anger from his supporters and seemed to fuel it at times, which turned off many potential supporters who stuck to Hillary.
Logged
RaphaelDLG
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,687
United States


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2016, 12:26:33 PM »

No.

A bullet has been dodged. There is no real reason to disbelieve the thrust of the Politico article. Much of it, in retrospect, was hidden in plain sight; people and groups with a history of working and knowing both Clinton and Sanders (Planned Parenthood for example) endorsed Clinton no doubt on similar understanding. There may indeed be a hint of the internal sabotage of Edwards’ campaign in 2008 and certainly the mess of all this will be fascinating reading.


You've got to be high if you think Planned Parenthood was going to endorse ANY other candidate than Clinton, including Biden, Warren, etc

Same to Lyin' Steve's comment about nobody endorsing him in Congress.

It's Hillary freaking Clinton - from the most powerful family in Democratic politics and one of the most powerful and influential political families/networks in the entire globe.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2016, 06:47:56 PM »

No.

A bullet has been dodged. There is no real reason to disbelieve the thrust of the Politico article. Much of it, in retrospect, was hidden in plain sight; people and groups with a history of working and knowing both Clinton and Sanders (Planned Parenthood for example) endorsed Clinton no doubt on similar understanding. There may indeed be a hint of the internal sabotage of Edwards’ campaign in 2008 and certainly the mess of all this will be fascinating reading.

Fish rot from the head. The ultimate ‘Berniebro’ it seems, was Sanders himself.

Progressive, ‘socialist’ movements built off the labour and money of thousands of volunteers have been here before the world over (see the rise and fall of Tommy Sheridan) when they become indistinguishable from and subservient to the leader of that movement. As a matter of self-preservation, you could argue the Democrats would be right to and entitled to let it die or cut it out like a cancer. Sanders will no doubt retain a loyal band of $27ers who will gladly pay off his campaign debt (and then some) keeping him flush in speaking engagements,
If Sanders does indeed choose to take it to DC he will leave his movement lying tattered on the convention floor. What then for the left/progressive cause? What leverage should it have? Who can lead it?

He ran a good campaign for himself, but he's pretty much destroyed the credibility of the progressive cause.

This is the point I disagree with. I think Bernie's run has made progressive policies more achievable, just not the "I'm a real progressive, if you disagree with me or my policies you aren't" ones. He's allowed the Democrats to shift to the left on broader economic narratives, tuition, entitlements, healthcare. He's made it easier for Hillary to advocate for her positions on those issues, which are still to the left of where she and Obama were in 2008 (except healthcare, where she was to the left of Obama and so is working through that paradigm) because they're not Sanders' crash or crash-through options. Because in contrast to Bernie's platform, Hillary's now looks moderate (as for US mainstream politics, it isn't).

Free college tuition was never going to happen, but reforms to that and the management of existing student debt CAN happen. Single-payer isn't going to happen, but ongoing improvements to Obamacare can happen that can expand access to quality healthcare (which is actually the practically more important point). A big part of this is because I've always thought Hillary had a much stronger chance of boosting Dems down-ticket where there are seats to pick up. So it's another reason why the Sanders campaign wasn't successful, it only superficially worried about the structures and mechanics of getting a Congressional support base, assuming that having Bernie up top and his army of agitated youngsters would be enough...
Logged
Blue3
Starwatcher
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,082
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2016, 09:50:52 PM »

The poll should be grading the Sanders campaign on an A - B - C - D - F scale
Logged
Pages: 1 2 [3]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.031 seconds with 13 queries.