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[Filuwaúrdjan]

I would recommend that all posters are extremely careful about what they write about that particular story.

[politicus]

Well, at least the basic facts according to The Mirror:

"The 55-year-old politician - who came out as gay in 2010 - is accused of raping a man and sexually assaulting a second man between July 2009 and March this year.

Detectives from Lancashire Police swooped on Mr Evans’ cottage in the Lancashire village of Pendleton this morning. Police forensic teams also searched the property.

Officers specialising in sex offence crimes quizzed Mr Evans - a former Tory Party vice-chairman at Preston police station today".

[You kip if you want to...]

UKIP gain in Ribble Valley?

[MaxQue]

Terrible press for the gays while gay marriage still didn't pass the Lords.

[Supersonic]

Opinium/Observer poll. Labour 35, Tories 28, Ukip 17, Lib Dems 9%.

Just 31% see Ed Miliband as a future PM.

Britain's Progressive Majority in action.

[Phony Moderate]

And a week before the 1979 election.... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=37&view=wide

[Supersonic]

And a week before the 1979 election.... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=37&view=wide

Thatcher on 40% is a bit different from Ed Miliband on 31%.

[DC Al Fine]

And a week before the 1979 election.... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=37&view=wide

Thatcher on 40% is a bit different from Ed Miliband on 31%.

On another note, Michael Foote was polling in the teens in '83.

[Phony Moderate]

And a week before the 1979 election.... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=37&view=wide

Thatcher on 40% is a bit different from Ed Miliband on 31%.

That was on April 2nd. On April 26th, she was on 31%.

[Supersonic]

And a week before the 1979 election.... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=37&view=wide

Thatcher on 40% is a bit different from Ed Miliband on 31%.

That was on April 2nd. On April 26th, she was on 31%.

I'm sure once the Conservative campaign mauls Ed away, his numbers shall drop a bit too. Maybe a nice 24% or so?

[Phony Moderate]

And a week before the 1979 election.... http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemID=37&view=wide

Thatcher on 40% is a bit different from Ed Miliband on 31%.

That was on April 2nd. On April 26th, she was on 31%.

I'm sure once the Conservative campaign mauls Ed away, his numbers shall drop a bit too. Maybe a nice 24% or so?

Well, maybe.

[Leftbehind]

UKIP gain in Ribble Valley?

If Labour can return to their 2005 result of 30% surely they have a chance of nipping between the middle?

[You kip if you want to...]

UKIP gain in Ribble Valley?

If Labour can return to their 2005 result of 30% surely they have a chance of nipping between the middle?

If UKIP looks anything like a possible winner, Labour's vote'll be down.

36 Con (-14)
17 Lab (-5)
5 Liberal (-15)
35 UKIP (+29)
5 Others

Something like that?

How did things go here on Thursday?

[MaxQue]

UKIP gain in Ribble Valley?

If Labour can return to their 2005 result of 30% surely they have a chance of nipping between the middle?

If UKIP looks anything like a possible winner, Labour's vote'll be down.

36 Con (-14)
17 Lab (-5)
5 Liberal (-15)
35 UKIP (+29)
5 Others

Something like that?

How did things go here on Thursday?

A more accurate name would be Ribble Valley and South Ribble North

2005: 3 Con, 2.25 Lab, 1 LD, 1 Idle Toad (there is the 1/4 of Penwortham North in it)
2009: 5.25 Con, 1 LD, 1 Idle Toad
2013: 6 Cons, 1.25 Lab.

More details:
Longridge with Bowland: Cons 70, Lab 23, LD 7
Ribble Valley North East: Cons 54, UKIP 23, Lab 16, LD 7
Ribble Valley South West: Cons 73, Lab 19, LD 8
Clitheroe: Cons 31, Ind 30, LD 28, Lab 11
Farington: Cons 39, Lab 38, UKIP 20, LD 4
Bamber Bridge and Walton-le-Dale: Lab 40, Cons 39, UKIP 21
South Ribble Rural East: Cons 43, Lab 21, UKIP 19, Idle Toad 17.
Penwortham South (1/4): Lab 41, Cons 25, UKIP 20, LD 4.

UKIP is very much around 20 (23, 20, 21, 19 and 20).

[Leftbehind]

If UKIP looks anything like a possible winner, Labour's vote'll be down.

36 Con (-14)
17 Lab (-5)
5 Liberal (-15)
35 UKIP (+29)
5 Others

Something like that?

Labour didn't fall in Eastleigh, and they're more competitive in Ribble Valley. If Labour fell from 2010 and didn't get any benefit from Liberal collapse, questions will start being asked of Ed.

[MaxQue]

If UKIP looks anything like a possible winner, Labour's vote'll be down.

36 Con (-14)
17 Lab (-5)
5 Liberal (-15)
35 UKIP (+29)
5 Others

Something like that?

Labour didn't fall in Eastleigh, and they're more competitive in Ribble Valley. If Labour fell from 2010 and didn't get any benefit from Liberal collapse, questions will start being asked of Ed.

Well, they aren't competitive in the proper Valley, they weren't close in any of the county seats in the Valley, nor in the district elections (1 seat in a Clitheroe ward in 2003, no candidates at all in 2007, and they weren't close of winning one except in one case in 2011). If they are compettive in the seats, that's because of the South Ribble parts of the misnamed Ribble Valley seat.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Labour won the Lancs. CC division of Bamber Bridge & Walton-le-Dale by 31 votes last Thursday and missed out on Farington by 22 votes. South Ribble Rural East was a rare Tory gain as Idle Toad collapsed and looks 'safe' on Thursday's figures.

[Leftbehind]

Well, they aren't competitive in the proper Valley, they weren't close in any of the county seats in the Valley, nor in the district elections (1 seat in a Clitheroe ward in 2003, no candidates at all in 2007, and they weren't close of winning one except in one case in 2011). If they are compettive in the seats, that's because of the South Ribble parts of the misnamed Ribble Valley seat.

Well tbf I was talking about that misnamed Ribble Valley seat. Labour need little more than to reverse their 2010 loss to squeak into the thirties, and as Eastleigh shown, that's enough when UKIP are fracturing the vote.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Though the Tories easily swatted aside UKIP in the one of the three ultra-Tory rural divisions they stood in on Thursday. Of course the issue would be that the area has been the setting for a by-election upset before (in 1991). Circumstances would be pretty horrible for defence if there is actually a by-election, of course.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Evans has issued a statement, denying the accusations:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/05/nigel-evans-complaints-completely-false?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

[Supersonic]

https://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77735/

Cameron being urged by leading Conservatives to scrap the Same Sex Marriage bill. I doubt he'll do this, though, we'll see. The party has been ripped apart by it.

[Leftbehind]

Maybe then all the idiots who claimed the government was automatically 'centrist' because of it, will revise their opinion. But probably not.

[MaxQue]

https://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77735/

Cameron being urged by leading Conservatives to scrap the Same Sex Marriage bill. I doubt he'll do this, though, we'll see. The party has been ripped apart by it.

This would be useless.
Damage is already done.

[countydurhamboy]

https://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77735/

Cameron being urged by leading Conservatives to scrap the Same Sex Marriage bill. I doubt he'll do this, though, we'll see. The party has been ripped apart by it.

I fear Cameron is that weak. But I don't know what would that accomplish, the UKIP horse has long bolted. It's hurtful that so many people have changed their vote on it though.

Also is anyone else extremely uncomfortable with Nigel Evans being named like this? He hasn't even been charged.

[Supersonic]

https://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77735/

Cameron being urged by leading Conservatives to scrap the Same Sex Marriage bill. I doubt he'll do this, though, we'll see. The party has been ripped apart by it.

This would be useless.
Damage is already done.

I agree, he might as well force it through now. Better to alienate one side and not both.

https://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/77735/

Cameron being urged by leading Conservatives to scrap the Same Sex Marriage bill. I doubt he'll do this, though, we'll see. The party has been ripped apart by it.

I fear Cameron is that weak. But I don't know what would that accomplish, the UKIP horse has long bolted. It's hurtful that so many people have changed their vote on it though.

Also is anyone else extremely uncomfortable with Nigel Evans being named like this? He hasn't even been charged.

It's expected in this day and age unfortunately. I hope he isn't hounded out of office.