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Santander
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« on: June 25, 2016, 05:15:08 AM »
« edited: June 25, 2016, 07:56:07 AM by Santander »

I would assume Trump has the same personal opinion given his past support for gun control.


That maybe the case, but I trust him a lot more than Hillary and the communist party.  At least Trump as president would be held to uphold those rights by the voters who put him in the white house or face the prospect of being voted out should he try to exercise those "personal opinions".

Way to guarantee nobody will take your post seriously.

So says the guy with the "n" in his signature.   I do find it interesting that liberals get offended getting called communist, when a lot of their actions and views actually reflect that of a communist controlled country.   Social justice I believe is the wording now.
So true. I'm actually starting to like you. Wink

Social justice is collectivism - it's the rights of the collective, not individuals. By denying individual rights, you deny individual responsibility, which leads to dependency on government. You don't need to stay on that road for too long to end up at communism.
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Santander
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2016, 09:08:59 AM »

I would assume Trump has the same personal opinion given his past support for gun control.


That maybe the case, but I trust him a lot more than Hillary and the communist party.  At least Trump as president would be held to uphold those rights by the voters who put him in the white house or face the prospect of being voted out should he try to exercise those "personal opinions".

Way to guarantee nobody will take your post seriously.

So says the guy with the "n" in his signature.   I do find it interesting that liberals get offended getting called communist, when a lot of their actions and views actually reflect that of a communist controlled country.   Social justice I believe is the wording now.
So true. I'm actually starting to like you. Wink

Social justice is collectivism - it's the rights of the collective, not individuals. By denying individual rights, you deny individual responsibility, which leads to dependency on government. You don't need to stay on that road for too long to end up at communism.

How did you ever have that God awful Zel Miller signature with a statement like this??
In that speech, Zell Miller was pushing Bill Clinton's New Democrat agenda, including welfare reform. Just because I believe in individualism doesn't mean that I think it's okay to vilify the poor like many Republicans do.
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Santander
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2016, 02:42:03 PM »

Poor people vote, and someone needs to gobble up those votes, and Democrats have filled that void since Andrew Jackson.  Many poor people need help and are unlucky and I'm sympathetic to that, but there needs to be a balance and we need to be sure we're not punishing success and strangling motivation and innovation.  Most poor people would "make it" if given the choice, and I think few would, once they're sitting in a different spot, want their hard work to be rewarded with higher taxes and more regulations making it harder to "make it" in the first place.  And that's what Democrats offer every two years.
I agree with the bolded, but we're going to have to agree to disagree on the taxes and regulation. I don't think that most center-left Democrats ask for punitive levels of taxation or regulation on high income earners or businesses. The Sanders wing of the party does, but that's part of the reason why I'm no longer a Democrat. Anyway, we're getting way off topic.
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