Ryan: This is Our Last Chance to Repeal Obamacare

[EnglishPete]

Interesting article from blog Conservative Treehouse (early Trump supporters) making the case to Constitutional conservatives to accept the Trump bill.

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Full article here : https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/07/why-obamacare-cannot-simply-be-repealed/

[EnglishPete]

Give it up already! Who wants a health care system that is in such turmoil? That has not been thought out thoroughly. That the party in power wants to ramrod through instead of waiting for the CBO numbers.

If the GOP has such a better idea, why are they in such disagreement about it?

Give it up I say and just try to make what exists better instead of repealing what has been helping millions of people already for years.

Are you guys insane?

Republicans have being banging on about this for seven years now making their key issue. Now they're looking like the dog that caught the car. Seems like they really didn't expect to win last November.

[EnglishPete]

Newsflash, it's already entrenched.

Exactly. Interesting quote from British businessman and pollster Lord Ashcroft on some of his research

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http://time.com/4696922/donald-trump-white-house-strategy

In other words when Republican voters say they are 'against Obamacare' what they mean is that they want a much more efficient and less expensive version of the existing system. There doesn't appear to me (from across the Atlantic) to be any great appetite to return to the previous system from voters of either party.

Those Republicans who think they can just repeal and return to the status quo ante before working on setting up a new system are living in a dream world. It will never happen. That ship sailed when Bush left office. They need to focus on the task of making a more efficient healthcare system and forget about fantasies of starting from scratch.

[EnglishPete]

Newsflash, it's already entrenched.

Exactly. Interesting quote from British businessman and pollster Lord Ashcroft on some of his research

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http://time.com/4696922/donald-trump-white-house-strategy

In other words when Republican voters say they are 'against Obamacare' what they mean is that they want a much more efficient and less expensive version of the existing system. There doesn't appear to me (from across the Atlantic) to be any great appetite to return to the previous system from voters of either party.

Those Republicans who think they can just repeal and return to the status quo ante before working on setting up a new system are living in a dream world. It will never happen. That ship sailed when Bush left office. They need to focus on the task of making a more efficient healthcare system and forget about fantasies of starting from scratch.

EnglishPete, is the NHS as bad as the Republicans make it out to be? According to the dopey GOP here ..hundreds of thousands are dying due to the commie NHS with 1 year waiting lists.

No, the NHS is pretty good. There are waiting lists but they're much lower than they used to be 20 years ago and from the sounds of some of the comments here not longer than in the US. And if you have the money and want to skip even those waiting lists there are still private insurance companies like BUPA that provide that. In my experience and those of people I know the quality of care on the NHS is good as well. The fact that its free at the point of use (apart from minor charges like the £8.40 prescription charge) is an enormous boon to the UK middle class. They don't have to panic about insurance fees when someone in the family is ill and if they want to start a small business and employ people they don't have the burden of providing insurance for themselves and their potential employees (or worry that they have uninsured employees)

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Absolutely not. A couple of years ago when Farage was still UKIP leader he mused about the idea of switching UK health provision to an insurance based system. There was a big outcry about this even from within his own party and he had to rush out saying that this was just his own opinion, not party policy. He also had to say that he was talking about something along the lines of the French or Dutch models and that of course no one would suggest following the US model.

[EnglishPete]

Just put this 2014  I found map here



If this map is accurate then the only two European or European diaspora majority countries without some form of universal healthcare are the US and Belarus! Sounds believable.