What is left for the liberty movement if Rand Paul cannot win the nomination?

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Didn't Rand Paul pretty much flip flop on foreign intervention once ISIS happened?

He flip flops on a lot of things.

He kind of had to, but yes, that still doesn't make it justifiable.

[ag]

I honestly see nothing. We have consistently failed. We failed with Taft, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Pauls.
None of these issues:
-Fed
-Drug War
-Civil Liberties
-Foreign intervention
-Legitimate spending cuts

have been addressed since Taft. Are our views too extreme? Should we lower our standards?

Grow up. Get married. Have kids.

[Ebsy]

I actually don't think changing your mind on issues is a bad thing for politicians. Being open to new ideas and being persuadable are are important, and the ideological orthodoxy forced on candidates these days by the base is probably partially to blame for current congressional gridlock. In this case, however, it is pretty apparent Paul is shifting his position on issues to whatever is politically advantageous at that moment in time, and he has shown himself to be completely incapable of defending these changes to even minor media scrutiny.

[Ebsy]

Thanks for your keen insight.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Thanks for your keen insight.

And thanks for your insight on Ron Paul's Iraq War vote

[Ebsy]

Thanks for your keen insight.

And thanks for your insight on Ron Paul's Iraq War vote

I believe I was mistaken on that count. My apologies.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

I honestly see nothing. We have consistently failed. We failed with Taft, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Pauls.
None of these issues:
-Fed
-Drug War
-Civil Liberties
-Foreign intervention
-Legitimate spending cuts

have been addressed since Taft. Are our views too extreme? Should we lower our standards?

Grow up. Get married. Have kids.

Ron Paul did all those things.

[Zioneer]

Didn't Rand sign the Iran letter? That definitely seemed like a warhawk move.

[VPH]

Probably needs to be built up from the bench. Start winning local and state level races. Build strong candidates and have them challenge Republicans at higher levels and fill vacuums. I strongly dislike the liberty movement, but hell, if Paul underwhelms, they'll have a tough time. Amash is promising for the movement, but his traction with the GOP electorate seems to be limited. His own party hates him in many regards. Same applies for Walter Jones, although Jones doesn't strike me as libertarian to the extent of Amash or Massie. If a strong bench is built up, maybe the GOP will be more receptive.

[RINO Tom]

The best thing for the party is a Ted Cruz blowout loss. Everything he represents is why the party is terrible and it needs to be burned with the fire of a Hillary Clinton blowout. Then someone like Rand Paul can rebuild the party in 2020 in his image. The GOP will never embrace libertarians unless the fundie  Christian corporatism nut monster is thoroughly embarrassed. 

Agree.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Sorry, I misstated things. I shouldn't have said he was a run-of-the-mill conservative. He's a very, very conservative conservative. But the point about the distance between his public statements and his votes remains.

Ben Carson is to the left of Gerald Ford? Joke ranking.

[bobloblaw]

I honestly see nothing. We have consistently failed. We failed with Taft, Goldwater, Reagan, and both Pauls.
None of these issues:
-Fed
-Drug War
-Civil Liberties
-Foreign intervention
-Legitimate spending cuts

have been addressed since Taft. Are our views too extreme? Should we lower our standards?

I mean elections arent the solution. Win the culture and the schools.