SENATE BILL: Pregnant Women Support Act (Law'd)

[Napoleon]

This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

[Napoleon]

This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

How so?  Which section do you not like?

The part where the government tries to force women into anti-abortion propaganda counseling.

[Napoleon]

This bill is a disaster and I hope you all have the courage to defeat it.

As usual- you sure do show the poise that can bring people together ;-)

The word "all" suggests bringing everyone together, true?

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Don't be mad that I actually read through these right-wing bills you keep proposing before forming my opinion.

[Napoleon]

The only coercion relevant to this bill is the coercion against a woman's choice that exists in nearly every clause of this bill. I see that you would rather toss out ad hominems then actually defend whatever merits you see in this bill that is indeed a disaster waiting to happen.

Section 3 is not worthy of support. Section 2, the problems have already been outlined. Section 5 harasses women repeatedly about their pregnancy. Section 6 and 8 have already been discussed by the President and Section 7 allows the government to collect personal information about pregnant women without their consent. I don't believe any party of this bill should be supported and I think the Senate should read these bills before forming their opinions. This bill would do a lot of harm and not much good, most of the services are already available and exist in this bill only to give the illusion that this anti-choice bill is helping women. I wont be fooled by it.

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Seriously, guys? Once you take out the horrible parts of this bill, you are left with a small number of happy-sounding clauses that don't change current law much, if at all. Compromise? You can't meet a disaster in the middle. I stand by my comments and repudiate your attacks on my desire for compromise. There is no room for compromise on the bulk of this bill.

[Napoleon]

I am not going to do the Senate's job. I stopped by to offer my opinion as an Atlasian citizen. Not as Governor, not as a candidate, simply as a citizen who sees the irreparable flaws within this bill.

As Governor of the Northeast, I oppose this bill's attempting at reducing regional autonomy over health care policy further.

It is cute how you keep attacking me and can't even be bothered to defend the bill. Anything I say is "unproductive" even though it is true and I'm sure that many others will agree. There is a reason I said Senators must have the COURAGE to defeat this- because I knew you would do this, it is exactly why all the nice-sounding clauses that don't really do anything were included in the first place.

The best you can do is label your opponents "unproductive" and made other rude comparisons. All I've done is offer my opinion on this bill, as a citizen and constituent, and explain why I don't think they can be reconciled. Your tactics might be in more need of reflection, than mine, if this is your best defense of the bill.

[Napoleon]

Another time and place? I would think that this is the perfect time and place to discuss this bill.

[Napoleon]

Clarence, I don't think you can claim not to be abrasive. I mean, I like you but you throw out personal attacks in debates from time to time.
Now, you may not have been the one to add those provisions but I know about the political tricks of the pro-life movement and many were visible here. I had assumed you wrote the bill since you sponsored it.

I do feel an obligation to point this out in the event you serve as President over here that you'll be a poor leader if you lead with abrasiveness, generalizations, and coercion

Would a better model of debate be the way you handled the Broadcaster bill? I doubt it. I come here as a citizen, not a President or Senator, and have no power to work a compromise. All I can do is point out that the bill in its current form is a disaster. If the Senate wants to amend it so that it is not a disaster that is their prerogative, but it has little to do with how I would act as President, or even as a Senator. I highly encourage you not to play the "abrasive" card considering some of the statements you've made in the past, and also think that your Presidential campaign should remain separate from your Senate duties. We did not elect you so you could run your Presidential campaign from the Senate floor. That is poor decorum.

[Napoleon]

I am a firm believer that you should NOT sponsor bills you will not support. It makes the entire debate process tedious.

Now, you continue discussing my character and personality here in this thread while dismissing my arguments against this bill as better left to "another time and place".

When Representatives in the Northeast Assembly have concerns with my proposals, I explain to them the merits rather than dismissing them outright and attacking their character.

[Napoleon]

The left has had to compromise on issues like health care and foreign policy. This bill is unsound anti-choice propaganda.

[Napoleon]

What does the current text look like?