Do you remember Alcon/J. J. arguments?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Alas all these noobs probably don't.

Those were honestly literally (and everyone knows I don't misuse this word) the most one-sided debates I've ever seen, and that includes ones involving Young Earth Creationists. One thing Alcon's good at is not just demolishing an incorrect statement but making very clear point by point just how wrong it is and how stupid it is to say.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Here's a good starter example: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=162123.0

The arguments over polls are a bit more hidden in various threads, but they are even more blatant since it's basically akin to J. J. saying "2+2=5" and Alcon saying "no, 2+2=4, you're stupid"

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

OK here's a good example of the trying to argue over basic mathematics: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=144974.400

The key statement being "Santorum was never 20 points behind Romney in Iowa, BTW." in the first post on that page, which is a factually incorrect statement and quickly debunked. After that occurs...well you'll see.

Here's an excerpt which I think works as a good microcosm of any Alcon/J. J. (or really anyone/J. J.) argument:

Five of those polls had Romney over +20 on Santorum.  Good lord, J. J.

Alcon, that was the question.  How many show a 20 point lead for Romney over Santorum?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

As much as the forum has gone downhill since then, there is one improvement: If someone came up with a derisive nickname for another poster as immature and unfunny as "jFRAUD" and used that EVERY SINGLE TIME they referred to them they'd be labeled a troll and mocked for that alone. Back in 2005 it was beloved by moderate heroes because that evil terrible dishonest Dem hack jfern was getting attacked by someone who by the standards of the time was inexplicably not seen as dishonest or hackish in any way. 2005 was a weird time.

Also:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=150682.0

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jfern would have been voted for using ARG website for an argument about statistics, through.

Huh? Not sure what you mean.

And I don't recall jfern ever citing ARG. While they were a notoriously awful poster, the argument in question didn't involve their polls.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

jfern would have been voted for using ARG website for an argument about statistics, through.

Huh? Not sure what you mean.

And I don't recall jfern ever citing ARG. While they were a notoriously awful poster, the argument in question didn't involve their polls.

The last post you quoted links to their website.

Oh you mean Bacon King.

To be fair though that's just a MoE formula and calculator. It has nothing to do with ARG's actual junk polls.