Opinion of Hillary Clinton

[moderatevoter]

What's your opinion on Hillary Clinton?

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

A corporate Walmart Democratic politician. HP.

[Phony Moderate]

A corporate Walmart Democratic politician. HP.

[Lief 🗽]

FF (normal).

[IceSpear]

FF, of course.

[Dr. Cynic]

HP. She rubs me the wrong way. I can't vote for her in either a primary or a general.

[SWE]

HP, seriously overrated

[TDAS04]

FF.  Hopefully the next POTUS.

[TNF]

Sociopathic nutjob. Hopefully she never comes close to the Oval Office.

[Consciously Unconscious]

HP, seriously overrated

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Shrill corporate lackey and authoritarian, power-hungary warmonger (married to another warmonger out of convenience).

[RogueBeaver]

Meh. Generic Northern corporatist Dem.

[Donerail]

Democrats can - and should - do better.

[Deus Naturae]

HP

[IceSpear]

Democrats can - and should - do better.

Do you think Charlie Crist is a better Democrat than Hillary?

[Incipimus iterum]

FF

[bedstuy]

FF (normal).

Same.

I know a few people who have worked for Hillary Clinton or are friends with her.  They all say Hillary is a very caring, nice person.  It says a lot that 95% of the criticism of Hillary here seems to be unalloyed insults.  She's corporation-y, she's a sociopath, she's a carpetbagger, etc.

To me, the case against Hillary Clinton is mainly her Senate career.  She wasn't enough of a voice speaking out against the excesses of the Bush administration.  I think there are some valid reasons for that and it's something that I overlook in comparison to the full measure of her career.

[LeBron]

FF.  Hopefully the next POTUS.

This. I'm really hoping that with Christie done for and Jerry Brown out, she gets in because otherwise we could end up being stuck with Schweitzer. The hate on her for "just being another Clinton or Bush" or "she voted for the war!" gets really annoying because ever since Bill, Hillary has established herself as a phenomenal national politician ever since and has evolved on a lot of issues and would be nothing like her husband was in the Oval Office. #ReadyforHillary

[NewYorkExpress]

She's HP... But if you want you want a perfect Presidential candidate, then maybe you should pack up and move back to Camelot.

[7,052,770]

FF (normal).

This.  Liberals on this forum are too hard on her.  She would probably be a more effective president than Obama, while having nearly identical political positions.

[Lief 🗽]

FF (normal).

Same.

I know a few people who have worked for Hillary Clinton or are friends with her.  They all say Hillary is a very caring, nice person.  It says a lot that 95% of the criticism of Hillary here seems to be unalloyed insults.  She's corporation-y, she's a sociopath, she's a carpetbagger, etc.

Most of the insults are grounded in sexism as well. Just in this thread people are calling her "shrill" (essentially a misogynist dog whistle at this point) and "power-hungry" (literally every politician is power hungry, that's the point, otherwise they wouldn't be running for political office in the first place).

[Donerail]

Democrats can - and should - do better.

Do you think Charlie Crist is a better Democrat than Hillary?

False equivalence. Do I think Democrats can nominate a better candidate than Crist for Governor of Florida in 2014? No, but that speaks more to the weakness of the FL Dem bench and potential candidates (Buckhorn, Dyer, Iorio, Nelson, Sink, Smith) declining than anything else. Do I think they can nominate a better candidate than Clinton for President in 2016? Absolutely - Schweitzer, Sanders, Dean, and Warner all immediately come to mind. On top of that, Crist is running against Scott, who's been awful. I'm not convinced the GOP will put up someone in 2016 who's awful (Huntsman, Portman and Brown are all possible candidates who aren't awful).

[ElectionsGuy]

Meh. Generic Northern corporatist Dem.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

FF (normal).

Same.

I know a few people who have worked for Hillary Clinton or are friends with her.  They all say Hillary is a very caring, nice person.  It says a lot that 95% of the criticism of Hillary here seems to be unalloyed insults.  She's corporation-y, she's a sociopath, she's a carpetbagger, etc.

Most of the insults are grounded in sexism as well. Just in this thread people are calling her "shrill" (essentially a misogynist dog whistle at this point) and "power-hungry" (literally every politician is power hungry, that's the point, otherwise they wouldn't be running for political office in the first place).

Of course all politicians seek power; the issue is that the Clintons seek power not only for its own sake (which also applies to a majority of politicians), but will resort to any means to attain and hold it (see: blatant carpetbagging). FFS, while running for Senate she wore a Mets hat and a Yankees hat within days of each other! You can't do that!

[H. Ross Peron]

FF.  Hopefully the next POTUS.

This. I'm really hoping that with Christie done for and Jerry Brown out, she gets in because otherwise we could end up being stuck with Schweitzer. The hate on her for "just being another Clinton or Bush" or "she voted for the war!" gets really annoying because ever since Bill, Hillary has established herself as a phenomenal national politician ever since and has evolved on a lot of issues and would be nothing like her husband was in the Oval Office. #ReadyforHillary

Was Jerry Brown ever going to run for President in 2016 considering he'd be 78?

Anyways FF but like her husband, somewhat overrated.