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« Reply #175 on: April 14, 2024, 11:17:28 AM »

bigots in Toronto were enjoying themselves celebrating the attack


I wonder if they are having a hard time deciding if this was a successful attack or a "warning" like others are.  Either way, they'll soon be crying for peace.  It's the same story every time.  Celebrate violence when it's coming from your side, denounce violence when it's coming at your side.
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« Reply #176 on: April 14, 2024, 12:04:55 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."

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« Reply #177 on: April 14, 2024, 12:10:21 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.
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« Reply #178 on: April 14, 2024, 12:22:18 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

Iran vs. Israel is almost tailor-made to come across as a Kissingerian "it's a shame they can't both lose" conflict to much of the world, especially Sunni countries and the parts of Latin America and Africa where most people hate Israel but aren't particularly invested in either Islam or "resistance at all costs and in any form to the turboevil West" narratives.
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« Reply #179 on: April 14, 2024, 12:54:10 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



This is just such obvious BS I can't believe anyone believes it.

Iran repeatedly hit multiple Israeli air bases with missiles, if they had seriously wanted they could have hit HaKirya or smoked the Knesset instead. Does this guy seriously believe that it's just a coincidence that everything that got through hit a military target out in the Negev instead of the countless easy civilian targets along the way?

The IRI is an absolutely brutal regime that deserves to be replaced but they responded to an attack on their embassy with exactly enough firepower to reestablish deterrence. The one recklessly escalating here is Netanyahu.
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« Reply #180 on: April 14, 2024, 01:00:21 PM »

I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

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The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

And I suppose it's Harry Truman's fault that China went communist.

Very different situation. Here are some of the differences:


- Iran was not embroiled in a decades long civil war

- The CIA had only been established for around 2 years when China fell, while it had been around for more than 30 years by the time Iran fell

- We had experienced the consequences of China falling in the decades post 1949 so not taking action from letting it happen again is far worse than letting it happen in the first place

- It would be far easier to stop the rise of Islamists in Iran than it would be to stop the Communists in China in general.
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« Reply #181 on: April 14, 2024, 01:01:45 PM »

- It would be far easier to stop the rise of Islamists in Iran than it would be to stop the Communists in China in general.

What are you basing this on?
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« Reply #182 on: April 14, 2024, 01:05:07 PM »

- It would be far easier to stop the rise of Islamists in Iran than it would be to stop the Communists in China in general.

What are you basing this on?

China was embroiled in a decades long civil war by the time China fell and the Soviets were directly helping the communists in China which would make stopping their rise harder.

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« Reply #183 on: April 14, 2024, 01:11:57 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

I am also not sure if Israel could defeat Iran without direct US involvement either
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« Reply #184 on: April 14, 2024, 01:14:14 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

Iran vs. Israel is almost tailor-made to come across as a Kissingerian "it's a shame they can't both lose" conflict to much of the world, especially Sunni countries and the parts of Latin America and Africa where most people hate Israel but aren't particularly invested in either Islam or "resistance at all costs and in any form to the turboevil West" narratives.

These places are increasingly rare -- in fact, I think they are trending towards non-existence. Outside of Chile, for example, where in Latin America is Israel clearly unpopular? (Sometimes you have left wing leaders, ie Petro or Lula, who don't like Israel -- but in both Colombia and Brazil it is clear that the majority of people do).
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« Reply #185 on: April 14, 2024, 01:17:38 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

Iran vs. Israel is almost tailor-made to come across as a Kissingerian "it's a shame they can't both lose" conflict to much of the world, especially Sunni countries and the parts of Latin America and Africa where most people hate Israel but aren't particularly invested in either Islam or "resistance at all costs and in any form to the turboevil West" narratives.

These places are increasingly rare -- in fact, I think they are trending towards non-existence. Outside of Chile, for example, where in Latin America is Israel clearly unpopular? (Sometimes you have left wing leaders, ie Petro or Lula, who don't like Israel -- but in both Colombia and Brazil it is clear that the majority of people do).

For example (obviously many factors involved): https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/lula-approval-dips-brazil-after-israel-gaza-remarks-2024-03-06/

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Quaest's first poll this year showed that approval of Lula dipped especially among evangelical Christian voters, already a stronghold of former far-right President Jair Bolsonaro, after his remarks about the war in Gaza.
Lula denounced Israel's military action in the enclave as a "genocide" against Palestinians and compared it to "when Hitler decided to kill the Jews."

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Lula's approval among evangelical Christians - who make up nearly a third of Brazil's population - dropped to 35% from 41%, while their disapproval of his government jumped to 62% from 56%.
"The reaction to Lula's remarks about Gaza seems to give a good clue to explain it," Quaest pollster Felipe Nunes said. "About 60% of Brazilians believe he exaggerated in his comparison, but among evangelicals that number is even bigger: 69%."

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"The remarks were so poorly received that the president did not obtain majority support even within his own political base," Nunes noted.
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« Reply #186 on: April 14, 2024, 01:25:57 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

I am also not sure if Israel could defeat Iran without direct US involvement either

depends what you mean by "defeat", they could nuke all major Iranian cities and their nuclear installations.
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« Reply #187 on: April 14, 2024, 01:29:09 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

I am also not sure if Israel could defeat Iran without direct US involvement either

depends what you mean by "defeat", they could nuke all major Iranian cities and their nuclear installations.

Yeah, that's the thing - Israel could easily defeat Iran, but not in a way they want to.

And everyone understanding this is probably a big part of why the US will never even threaten to withhold its defense of Israel in a situation like this.
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« Reply #188 on: April 14, 2024, 01:45:32 PM »

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US President Joe Biden warned yesterday that Iranian retaliation in response to Israel’s highly provocative April 1 attack on Iran’s consulate in the Syrian capital of Damascus was expected “sooner than later.”


In this picture released by the official website of the Iranian Army on Jan. 19, 2024, a missile is launched during a military drill in southern Iran.
While not criticizing, let alone condemning Israel’s attack on the embassy, Biden was quick to declare his administration’s total support for Israel. “Our commitment to Israel’s security against these threats from Iran and its proxies is ironclad,” he declared. “Let me say it again: ironclad.”

The Israeli airstrike on the consular section of Iran’s embassy in Syria killing three senior Iranian generals and other officials was a flagrant act of war that could only further inflame tensions in the Middle East and lead to a wider war. It was not only another breach of Syria’s national sovereignty, but a direct attack on Iranian territory—as embassies in a foreign country are designated as such by international convention.

Biden’s remarks amount to a blank cheque to the Israeli regime to carry out illegal acts of aggression anywhere in the Middle East, including against Iran. Just as it has backed Israel’s barbaric war in Gaza to the hilt on the basis of its “right to defend itself,” so the US gives its “ironclad” backing for setting the region aflame.

Asked by reporters what his message to Iran was, Biden simply declared: “Don’t.” He provided no evidence that an Iranian strike was imminent, but again stressed: “We are devoted to the defence of Israel. We will support Israel. We will help defend Israel and Iran will not succeed.”

The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the US Navy is strengthening its already substantial fleet in the Middle East with two more destroyers to the region, one of which is equipped with an Aegis anti-missile system.

General Erik Kurilla, the head of US Central Command, held what could only be described as a war council with Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant yesterday along with top Israeli military and defence ministry officials. “We are prepared to defend ourselves on the ground and in the air, in close cooperation with our partners, and we will know how to respond,” Gallant declared after the meeting.

Having deliberately provoked a confrontation with Iran, the Israeli regime is preparing to widen its genocidal war in Gaza throughout the Middle East. “Whoever harms us, we will harm them,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed Thursday as he visited troops at an Israeli military airbase. “We are prepared … both defensively and offensively.”

Israel with Washington’s backing is already engaged in an escalating conflict with Iranian-linked Hezbollah militia in southern Lebanon while carrying out airstrikes deep into Lebanon and Syria targeting senior figures in both Hamas and Hezbollah. At the same time, the US and allied forces continue to carry out attacks against Houthi militia in Yemen.



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« Reply #189 on: April 14, 2024, 01:49:59 PM »

An important point:

"Iran launched 185 drones, 110 ballistic missiles and 36 cruise missiles at Israel.

The lack of significant damage isn’t because Iran didn’t try, but a testament to Israeli and U.S. air defense and air power."



Power-mad and insane as he may be, I strongly doubt Bibi feels this will be sufficient provocation to enter into a protracted military conflict that Iran is calculating to pariah Israel even further, particularly when Iran will say this was not unprovoked but a response to the embassy attack.

I am also not sure if Israel could defeat Iran without direct US involvement either

depends what you mean by "defeat", they could nuke all major Iranian cities and their nuclear installations.

Yeah, that's the thing - Israel could easily defeat Iran, but not in a way they want to.

And everyone understanding this is probably a big part of why the US will never even threaten to withhold its defense of Israel in a situation like this.

By this logic shouldn't the US be helping Putin defeat Ukraine?

It's weird that when Putin does nuclear blackmail it's proof that Putin must be defeated but when the Israelis do nuclear blackmail it's proof that America has no choice but to help Israel
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« Reply #190 on: April 14, 2024, 02:19:10 PM »

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US President Joe Biden warned yesterday that Iranian retaliation in response to Israel’s highly provocative April 1 attack on Iran’s consulate in the Syrian capital of Damascus was expected “sooner than later.”


In this picture released by the official website of the Iranian Army on Jan. 19, 2024, a missile is launched during a military drill in southern Iran.
While not criticizing, let alone condemning Israel’s attack on the embassy, Biden was quick to declare his administration’s total support for Israel. “Our commitment to Israel’s security against these threats from Iran and its proxies is ironclad,” he declared. “Let me say it again: ironclad.”

The Israeli airstrike on the consular section of Iran’s embassy in Syria killing three senior Iranian generals and other officials was a flagrant act of war that could only further inflame tensions in the Middle East and lead to a wider war. It was not only another breach of Syria’s national sovereignty, but a direct attack on Iranian territory—as embassies in a foreign country are designated as such by international convention.

Biden’s remarks amount to a blank cheque to the Israeli regime to carry out illegal acts of aggression anywhere in the Middle East, including against Iran. Just as it has backed Israel’s barbaric war in Gaza to the hilt on the basis of its “right to defend itself,” so the US gives its “ironclad” backing for setting the region aflame.

Asked by reporters what his message to Iran was, Biden simply declared: “Don’t.” He provided no evidence that an Iranian strike was imminent, but again stressed: “We are devoted to the defence of Israel. We will support Israel. We will help defend Israel and Iran will not succeed.”

The Wall Street Journal reported yesterday that the US Navy is strengthening its already substantial fleet in the Middle East with two more destroyers to the region, one of which is equipped with an Aegis anti-missile system.

General Erik Kurilla, the head of US Central Command, held what could only be described as a war council with Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant yesterday along with top Israeli military and defence ministry officials. “We are prepared to defend ourselves on the ground and in the air, in close cooperation with our partners, and we will know how to respond,” Gallant declared after the meeting.

Having deliberately provoked a confrontation with Iran, the Israeli regime is preparing to widen its genocidal war in Gaza throughout the Middle East. “Whoever harms us, we will harm them,” Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed Thursday as he visited troops at an Israeli military airbase. “We are prepared … both defensively and offensively.”

Israel with Washington’s backing is already engaged in an escalating conflict with Iranian-linked Hezbollah militia in southern Lebanon while carrying out airstrikes deep into Lebanon and Syria targeting senior figures in both Hamas and Hezbollah. At the same time, the US and allied forces continue to carry out attacks against Houthi militia in Yemen.



https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/13/irbi-a13.html
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« Reply #191 on: April 14, 2024, 02:30:50 PM »

"Per a senior military official briefing reporters, the USS Arleigh Burke and the USS Carney, operating in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, engaged and destroyed between 4 and 6 Iranian ballistic missiles during last night's attack; US aircraft in the region shot down more than 70 Iranian drones; and a US Patriot battery shot down 1 ballistic missile in the vicinity of Erbil, Iraq.

The majority of the other Iranian ballistic missiles were engaged by Israel's Arrow missile defense system, official said.

On what comes next, a senior admin official said "We are committed to defending Israel. We would not be a part of any response they do. That's very consistent policy...our aim is to deescalate regional tensions. We do not want a broader regional conflict.""

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« Reply #192 on: April 14, 2024, 02:40:31 PM »

"Per a senior military official briefing reporters, the USS Arleigh Burke and the USS Carney, operating in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, engaged and destroyed between 4 and 6 Iranian ballistic missiles during last night's attack; US aircraft in the region shot down more than 70 Iranian drones; and a US Patriot battery shot down 1 ballistic missile in the vicinity of Erbil, Iraq.

The majority of the other Iranian ballistic missiles were engaged by Israel's Arrow missile defense system, official said.

On what comes next, a senior admin official said "We are committed to defending Israel. We would not be a part of any response they do. That's very consistent policy...our aim is to deescalate regional tensions. We do not want a broader regional conflict.""



Someone already said this, but thank goodness we have Biden in office and not Trump. The way the latter has reacted in his unhinged Truth Social posts or whatever, WWIII would not be outside the realm of possibility. He was uniquely unqualified for office.
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« Reply #193 on: April 14, 2024, 02:54:40 PM »

I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

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The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

Can we please at least dispose of this GOPist myth that a popular uprising supported by around three quarters of the Iranian population could somehow have been painlessly "stopped". Where we went wrong was in not trying harder to influence the course of the revolution subsequently.

Sometimes, things don’t have to be painlessly stopped. You say “no”, you stick with it, and if blood is shed, hope you’re not on the losing side.
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« Reply #194 on: April 14, 2024, 04:27:15 PM »

With the benefit of hindsight it's clear that Iran's goal was to hammer the Ramon Air Base from which the attack on their Damascus embassy was conducted and in that goal they succeeded




Do you have any evidence of massive "hammering" of Ramon Air Base, and that the Iranian "goal was successful" on this air base?

Your image shows some missiles hitting somewhere, but it looks like it's hitting a town or the outskirts of a civilian area, not an air base.
You need to be careful with some of the tweets and videos out there. They are fake. They say one thing, but it's entirely something else.

There is obviously going to be pro-Iranian a**holes who are spreading disinformation, to make their side "look good" regarding this low-casualty, low-damage attack.

For example, here is one or two videos titled "Israel's Ramon Airbase hit by missiles." (At least 7 missles supposedly hit.)
In reality it's a video of a fire here in Texas USA, from a couple months back. LOL.

https://www.islamtimes.org/en/video/1128491/israel-s-ramon-airbase-hit-by-missiles

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/213834/VIDEO-Israel-s-Ramon-Airbase-hit-by-missiles
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« Reply #195 on: April 14, 2024, 04:37:51 PM »

With the benefit of hindsight it's clear that Iran's goal was to hammer the Ramon Air Base from which the attack on their Damascus embassy was conducted and in that goal they succeeded




Do you have any evidence of massive "hammering" of Ramon Air Base, and that the Iranian "goal was successful" on this air base?

Your image shows some missiles hitting somewhere, but it looks like it's hitting a town or the outskirts of a civilian area, not an air base.
You need to be careful with some of the tweets and videos out there. They are fake. They say one thing, but it's entirely something else.

There is obviously going to be pro-Iranian a**holes who are spreading disinformation, to make their side "look good" regarding this low-casualty, low-damage attack.

For example, here is one or two videos titled "Israel's Ramon Airbase hit by missiles." (At least 7 missles supposedly hit.)
In reality it's a video of a fire here in Texas USA, from a couple months back. LOL.

https://www.islamtimes.org/en/video/1128491/israel-s-ramon-airbase-hit-by-missiles

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/213834/VIDEO-Israel-s-Ramon-Airbase-hit-by-missiles
Mildly flattered that there's a quite real possibility that people looking to farm engagement from social media are borrowing footage from stuff happening in my state.
Of course, it doesn't surprise too much since Israel and Texas probably look similar topographically.
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« Reply #196 on: April 14, 2024, 04:48:06 PM »

bigots in Toronto were enjoying themselves celebrating the attack


I wonder if they are having a hard time deciding if this was a successful attack or a "warning" like others are.  Either way, they'll soon be crying for peace.  It's the same story every time.  Celebrate violence when it's coming from your side, denounce violence when it's coming at your side.

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« Reply #197 on: April 14, 2024, 04:48:48 PM »

I'm just loving how peaceful the world is under Biden.

Jimmy Carter is the real president to blame for this .

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/10/ayatollah-khomeini-jimmy-carter-administration-iran-revolution

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The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.

Carter’s intervened to stop the Iranian military from stopping the revolution and his decision to do so has been nothing but a disaster for the Middle East . Imagine if Iran today was led by a western ally instead of an Islamist , because if it was the Middle East would be far more peaceful today and you may have seen a two state solution by now (since it was the Ayotallah’s Iran that funded Hamas and Hezbollah).

And I suppose it's Harry Truman's fault that China went communist.

You must know that at least some blue avatars on here will believe that totally non-ironically.

Of course, but I can optimistically choose to hope that the Birchers are in the minority.
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« Reply #198 on: April 14, 2024, 05:17:31 PM »

With the benefit of hindsight it's clear that Iran's goal was to hammer the Ramon Air Base from which the attack on their Damascus embassy was conducted and in that goal they succeeded




Do you have any evidence of massive "hammering" of Ramon Air Base, and that the Iranian "goal was successful" on this air base?

Your image shows some missiles hitting somewhere, but it looks like it's hitting a town or the outskirts of a civilian area, not an air base.
You need to be careful with some of the tweets and videos out there. They are fake. They say one thing, but it's entirely something else.

There is obviously going to be pro-Iranian a**holes who are spreading disinformation, to make their side "look good" regarding this low-casualty, low-damage attack.

For example, here is one or two videos titled "Israel's Ramon Airbase hit by missiles." (At least 7 missles supposedly hit.)
In reality it's a video of a fire here in Texas USA, from a couple months back. LOL.

https://www.islamtimes.org/en/video/1128491/israel-s-ramon-airbase-hit-by-missiles

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/213834/VIDEO-Israel-s-Ramon-Airbase-hit-by-missiles

It's pretty weird that you're referring to videos I didn't post as proof to not trust the one I did because it's been pretty well confirmed by everyone, including the Washington Post, that the Iranians did in fact manage to penetrate Israeli air defenses to land hits not just at Ramon but at the Nevatim Base and their intelligence base at Mt. Hermon in the Golan Heights.  To my understanding the latter received the most severe hits and the damage report is under military censorship so who knows how much damage they did; obviously the Israelis will say it's no big deal and the Iranians will say it was crippling.

But the fact of the matter is that Iran demonstrated that they can get through Israel's air defenses even with two weeks advanced warning and help from half of NATO and the Arab world to boot. Western outlets are acting like it was no big deal to give Netanyahu an out so he doesn't look weak if he doesn't respond with a direct attack on Iran but I don't think that view will survive critical examination. Israeli leadership seems to be taking the threat far more seriously

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« Reply #199 on: April 14, 2024, 05:46:53 PM »

99% is a remarkably good success rate for interceptor technology, especially since said tech is rapidly advancing.

The 1% that got through were still enough to do some non-trivial damage to Israel.

The many, many, many pro-Palestine people on social media who were overjoyed at the news of Iranian attacks and cheering for as many Israeli deaths as possible must be sorely disappointed that this was the result.  Similarly, Iran's boasts of devastating Israel are of course ludicrous lies.

That said, Israel is a country smaller than New Hampshire and 60% of it is mostly-empty desert land, so in a vacuum, if Iran were to devote their entire military resources to the destruction of Israel, they could probably achieve it even with only a 1% success rate.  They didn't really need to launch this attack to prove that.

The reason Iran doesn't do this is not because they're just so kind and generous and patient with Israel, but because the diplomatic and military consequences would be extraordinarily severe and almost certainly lead to the end of the Iranian regime.  Not to mention, Israel is a nuclear power.

Furthermore, Israel is small but it's also far away from Iran and as we saw, any attack from Iran would come with enough advance warning to let the Jews get out of Israel.  So you wouldn't actually kill many Jews or topple the Israeli state, you'd just blow up some buildings.  But it's not like the Jews haven't rebuilt Israel from rubble several times before.

All-in-all, everyone is able to walk away from this saying they're the big winner, so it's a good stopping point and we must all hope Biden is able to talk Netanyahu out of escalating.

In reality, Israel is the big winner since they did actually kill some significant Iranian military leaders and got away with it.
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