So Michael's grandparents visited us in Scotland last week...

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'm sorry you went through this, Andrew. That behavior is inexcusable. And although I don't think there's much use speculating about the extent to which they'd still be like this if they were less religious, I'm afraid I cannot but agree that it isn't exactly helping.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I think without resorting to religion in recent years they probably would have still been assholes, if not to us then still to other people. And that's no improvement.

That's kind of what I was getting at. Even so I think it's a horrible shame that their own grandson and his husband had to endure this kind of shabby treatment.