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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 15, 2015, 12:38:47 AM »

I hope this is satire, but I'm afraid it's not.

To put blame on one person over others for the non-existent demise of Atlasia, I think they need to be terrorists or something. Yanke is no Osama Bin Laden.

To me, he seems to be one of the few advocating civility, the loudest voice for limited government in what would otherwise be an echo-chamber of leftists, and an active Atlasian for a looong time.

And to me, he's been way more friendly and welcoming than other people who've outright called me a cheater and liar with no evidence at all, and haven't apologized. And maybe he's nice to me because of our similar political opinions, but to me it seems like the only reason you hate Yankee is because of his dissenting opinions.

Really, I just want intelligent arguments behind any alleged "fact." Until I get that, I'll just assume this is more partisan [male bovine waste].
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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,049
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.03, S: -7.91

« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2015, 12:31:36 PM »

I hope this is satire, but I'm afraid it's not.

To put blame on one person over others for the non-existent demise of Atlasia, I think they need to be terrorists or something. Yanke is no Osama Bin Laden.

the photographic evidence says otherwise!



Oh, crap, I guess I was wrong!

I think a case does exist that NCYankee is emblematic of what's killing fantasyland, yes.

Hmmm...even if I win the lottery I'm not buying that one...
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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,049
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.03, S: -7.91

« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2015, 02:39:17 PM »

I hope this is satire, but I'm afraid it's not.

To put blame on one person over others for the non-existent demise of Atlasia, I think they need to be terrorists or something. Yanke is no Osama Bin Laden.

the photographic evidence says otherwise!


OMG, Yankee will hate this. And not exactly because of Bin Laden. Wink

Indeed. This would win the Nobel Prize for Getting On Yankee's Nerves.

(Not that such a prize exists, but they're so liberal I wouldn't be shocked Tongue)
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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,049
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.03, S: -7.91

« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2015, 03:24:25 PM »

I'm inclined to agree with this generally, more specifically with Al's post.

It's not true.
Yankee is one of the most active people in the Senate and generally on this game.

Hah yes, but what kind of activity?

I suspect the answer you're looking for is "vaguely despicable."

I guess I'm still rather new, so maybe I'm not seeing the full picture, but he seems like a good guy.

This is just a stupid thread, plain and simple. There is no place--not one--in this entire thread that actually substantively states what's wrong with Yankee! Therefore, I stand by my original verdict on this thread: [male bovine waste].
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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,049
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.03, S: -7.91

« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2015, 09:24:49 PM »

That proves the point, doesn't it? When you're criticized for obsessive legalism your recourse is to point at laws, ignoring that that was never the issue.

You're only picking out part of his defense and saying it's meaningless. You said nothing about his multi-paragraph post right before that. I've noticed that lots of people do that (pick out the weakest part of a multi-point argument and pretend like that invalidates the whole thing) and it's annoying.

And you're still not saying anything substantive. Let me break it down:

What it comes down to, basically, is the cult of legalism that North Carolina Yankee fostered.

Alright, you use language to make it sound like he's Jim Jones, but that's still not substantive.

It's not a surprise that public completely lost interest in the Senate during his long stranglehold over it

By what measure? Also, he was the PPT, not the PM--it's not like he had dictatorial power. I don't know if he even had a right-wing majority at any point, so your assertion that he had a "stranglehold" over the Senate is a hard sell.

compare his time as PPT to Verily's, when the Senate was vibrant and interest was high.

Yankee literally just did that. Maybe his numbers don't decisively prove that his Senate was more active, but is there another way to measure Senate activity? Maybe you could go back and count the number of posts in debate threads, if you have the 146 consecutive hours it would take to do that.

Using the "oh, you're just obsessed with legalism" argument doesn't convince me. It's the same faulty argument some people make to say that sports statistics are meaningless. You need substance to prove a point like this, especially when substance is disproving your point, and you're lacking that.

Yankee's response to this thread is again telling; he blames my failure to cast a vote concerning a constitutional amendment, as if the structure of the game is all that mattered.

Deconstructing one part of his defense doesn't help your offense.

My verdict on this thread still hasn't changed.
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Leinad
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 5,049
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.03, S: -7.91

« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2015, 05:24:54 AM »

By what measure? Also, he was the PPT, not the PM--it's not like he had dictatorial power. I don't know if he even had a right-wing majority at any point, so your assertion that he had a "stranglehold" over the Senate is a hard sell.

The only conservative majorities in the Senate over that time period where in early 2012 and the last 6 of Duke's eight months. So we are talking like 12 months spread out across three years.

For one thing PPT was not a partisan office. People trusted me to get the job done, and respected my independence in running the position. I united a very diverse coalition of support that ranged from Tmth to Kalwejt. In 2012 it was always a multi-party coalition that voted me in and rarely was I even opposed. I was a member of a single seat regional party, the Imperial Bloc and the Whigs had at most two seats during that period. The Liberals never attained a majority and their leader Napoleon never really moved to try and get me removed.

So, yeah, obviously a dictatorial "stranglehold," and the game was made "in [your] image," and because of this you "killed" it. Right Roll Eyes
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