Italian Elections and Politics 2018: Yellow Tide

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

- The vote on the watered-down bill passed with overwhelming PD, M5S, and centre-right support. Renzi had staked this vote to a confidence vote and survived with 173 votes in favor when 161 are needed.

Huh? If everyone voted for it overwhelmingly, why did it pass so narrowly?

I meant like it passed with the support of the overwhelming numbers of MPs from those parties, narrowly overall.


Does that make sense now?

- Two weeks ago, PD proposed a measure that would speed the passage of the bill. I'm not sure of the details, but most Italian language articles mention a "kangaroo vote" and "secret vote". I don't know what that's about; hopefully one of our Italian posters can key us in. M5S pulled support, saying they could not support the changes in parliamentary procedure "in good conscience". .

I'm not completely sure about this, and would be glad if someone could check this, but from what I have read, this would have been a way to get it passed in the Senate without having to vote on every single amendment that the right (a.k.a the usual horribles) had introduced (or planned to introduce?). I'm afraid I can't find the article I read that right now, but I will try to search for it to post here for reference.

I'm also very glad that the SVP and the Trentinese regionalists voted for this, didn't entirely expect that.

Yeah, from what I'm getting is that M5S wanted to be principled about "not ramming things through" in an "un-democratic manner", and not lead to a slippery-slope situation since M5S butts heads with PD on a lot of issues.

M5S regularly hurls the "you're acting like a dictator" charge at Renzi for regularly trying to railroad legislation through Parliament. IIRC they didn't support the Italicum law for various reasons.

Didn't Berlusocni come out in favour of gay marriage last year?

Yes, but i think he flip-flopped. Again. I still can't find votes by parties!

[tpfkaw]

- The vote on the watered-down bill passed with overwhelming PD, M5S, and centre-right support. Renzi had staked this vote to a confidence vote and survived with 173 votes in favor when 161 are needed.

Huh? If everyone voted for it overwhelmingly, why did it pass so narrowly?

I meant like it passed with the support of the overwhelming numbers of MPs from those parties, narrowly overall.

But who's in parliament besides PD, M5S and the center-right?

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

- The vote on the watered-down bill passed with overwhelming PD, M5S, and centre-right support. Renzi had staked this vote to a confidence vote and survived with 173 votes in favor when 161 are needed.

Huh? If everyone voted for it overwhelmingly, why did it pass so narrowly?

I meant like it passed with the support of the overwhelming numbers of MPs from those parties, narrowly overall.

But who's in parliament besides PD, M5S and the center-right?

The Italian Wikipedia page doesn't go into as much detail about the various parties as the English one (which hasn't been updated since February 2013 elections), but they have the updated major parties:

Government
Democratic Party: 112 seats
Popular Area (NCD-UDC): 32 *centre-right
For Autonomy (regional parties + Socialist + Foreign): 20
"Others": 7

Opposition
Forza Italia: 40 *Berlusconi
M5S: 35
Lega Nord: 12
Conservatives & Reformers: 10
Popular Alliance: 19
"Others": 34

From this breakdown, I am going to guess that most of PD supported with only some breaking away, For Autonomy mostly said yes, M5S all voted yes, Popular Alliance I know had 18 in favor, so I'm guessing that most of NCD said no and so did the others.

[DavidB.]

So what's Berlusconi really doing nowadays?

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

So what's Berlusconi really doing nowadays?

Attention-whoring.
Being a pain in Renzi's ass.
Trying to stop FI from being consumed by Lega Nord or shattering completely.
Enjoying all the cash he has from his business ventures.
Managing AC Milan (he offered to buy out Balotelli).
Trying to avoid any more convictions or community service.

Usual things for a 79 year old ex-Italian Prime Minister

[Antonio the Sixth]

"Kangaroo" is a term for a type of amendment that, if adopted, allows to bypass thousands of other amendments on the same subject (which, for almost every law in modern Italy, are introduced as a way to delay the legislative process).

M5S being hypocritical, self-righteous dickheads once again.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I do quite like the utterly psychotic way in which the Renzi government goes about its business.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

I do quite like the utterly psychotic way in which the Renzi government goes about its business.

Well, when in Rome... (literally)

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Constitutional reforms to Parliament pass final and definitive vote with 361 in favor and 7 against, rest abstaining. The referendum will be held some time in October.

The 100 member Senate will be comprised of 74 councilors (i.e. those chosen by regional councils), 21 mayors, and 5 members nominated by the President of the Republic (who will serve 7 year terms, and only are allowed one term)

[Antonio the Sixth]

Gianroberto Casaleggio, co-founder and intellectual architect of M5S, died today in Milano at the age of 61. Not sure exactly what caused it, but it has been revealed that he had underlying health problems, including surgery for brain swelling in late-2014.


RIP in peace, brave FF.

Oh wow. RIP.

Say what you want about him, but M5S owes a lot of its success to his (admittedly utterly nutty) vision.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

I have a little request, especially for the Italian posters:

Can you tell me something more about those guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrazia_Solidale
Is this party something more than political arm of Catholic trade unions?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I have a little request, especially for the Italian posters:

Can you tell me something more about those guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrazia_Solidale
Is this party something more than political arm of Catholic trade unions?

It's not even that. It's just a one- or two-people outfit and PD satellite.

[SPQR]

I have a little request, especially for the Italian posters:

Can you tell me something more about those guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrazia_Solidale
Is this party something more than political arm of Catholic trade unions?

It's not even that. It's just a one- or two-people outfit and PD satellite.

This.
Dellai is a centrist who was governor of Trentino,but honestly I didn't even know Democrazia Solidale existed.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Referendum on banning offshore drilling today,btw

[Antonio the Sixth]

Referendum on banning offshore drilling today,btw

Another vote I'm going to miss. I feel like such a terrible citizen.

Especially since YES will almost certainly win, but the result is only valid if 50% turn out, which means I'd be part of the problem.

[Grand Wizard Lizard of the Klan]

I have a little request, especially for the Italian posters:

Can you tell me something more about those guys:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrazia_Solidale
Is this party something more than political arm of Catholic trade unions?

It's not even that. It's just a one- or two-people outfit and PD satellite.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Turnout was 32%. Renzi claimed victory in typical Renzi fashion.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If anyone cares, here's a map showing the YES vote as % of total registered voters by region (national average is 27.44%).



Apulia's President Michele Emiliano was one of the major proponents of the referendum.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Bump for locals this Sunday.

[Andrea]

Exit polls


Rome

Raggi (5 Stars) 34-38%
Giochetti (PD) 20-24
Meloni (Right) 16-20
Marchino (Forza Italia) 9-13
Fassina (Left) 3-6

Milan

Sala (PD) 41-45
Parisi (Forza Italia & Lega) 35-39
5 Stars 8-12

Turin

Fassino (PD) 39-42
5 Stars 28-32
Right 7-11

Naples

De Magistris 43-47
Lettieri (Forza Italia) 20-24
Valente (PD) 15-19

[Andrea]

Rome projection (13% of the sample)
5 Stars 36.5 PD 21.8 Right 21.5 Forza Italia 10.8

Bologna projection (5% of the sample)
PD 40 Forza Italia 20 5 starts 19.8 Left 9.1

Turin (9% of the sample):
Fassino PD 41,8% Appendino 5 Stars 31,7% Morano 9,8% Napoli 4,8% Airaudo 4%

Milan projection (20% of the sample): PD 42.6 Forza Italia/Lega 37.2 5 Stars 12.8 Left 3.8

Ravenna (6.5%): PD 42.3 Right 28.3


Varese (5%): Right 46.2 PD 42.9

Naples (16%) Magistris 40,7% Lettieri FI 24,7% Valente PD 20,7% Brambilla 5 Stars 10,8%

[SPQR]

PD managed to hold on and go to the second round in all major cities except for Naples (which is a special situation).

[Andrea]

So results...


Novara (88 polling stations reported out of 91): Lega & friends 32.9% PD 28.44% 5 Stars 16.9% Forza Italia 14.1%

Torino (898/919): PD 41.87% 5 Stars 30.84% Lega 8.4% Forza Italia 5.3% Centrist 5.07%

Milan ( 1.227/ 1.248 ): PD 41.69% Lega/FI 40.79% 5 Stars 10.05% Left 3.55%

Varese (71/85): Lega/FI 47.55 PD 41.47

Savona (59/61): PD 31.96% Lega 26.4% 5 Stars 25.21% Local list 8.35% Left 4.77%

Bologna (440/445): PD 39.49% Lega/FI 22.25% 5 Stars 16.62%

Ravenna: PD 46.5% Lega/FI 27.97%

Rimini: PD 56.99% Lega/FI 24.96% Centre-Left hold

Grosseto (70/76):  Lega/FI 39.63 PD 34.53 5 Stars 19.67

Latina (66/116): Right 22.99 Local lists 22.23 PD 21.07 Forza Italia 14.2

Roma (2.384   / 2.600): 5 Stars 35.37 PD 24.77 Right 20.69 Forza Italia 10.91 Left 4.41

Benevento (37/72): Forza Italia 33 PD 32.98 5 Stars 21.22

Naples (759/ 886): De Magistris 42.45 Forza Italia 24.04 PD 21.34 5 Stars 9.74

Salerno (89/152): Centre-Left 70.76

Brindisi (50/80): PD 32.54 Centrist 24.72 5 Stars 18.65 Left 14.38 Forza Italia 7.1

Cosenza (61/82): Forza Italia & 100 local lists 59.18 PD 19.52

Crotone (47/ 73): PD 29.77 Centrist 26.83 5 Stars 17.82

Cagliari (146/176): PD 50.88 Forza Italia 32.14 5 Stars 9.2

[Andrea]

So results so far...


Novara (88 polling stations reported out of 91): Lega & friends 32.9% PD 28.44% 5 Stars 16.9% Forza Italia 14.1%

Torino (898/919): PD 41.87% 5 Stars 30.84% Lega 8.4% Forza Italia 5.3% Centrist 5.07%

Milan ( 1.227/ 1.248 ): PD 41.69% Lega/FI 40.79% 5 Stars 10.05% Left 3.55%

Varese (71/85): Lega/FI 47.55 PD 41.47

Savona (59/61): PD 31.96% Lega 26.4% 5 Stars 25.21% Local list 8.35% Left 4.77%

Bologna (440/445): PD 39.49% Lega/FI 22.25% 5 Stars 16.62%

Ravenna: PD 46.5% Lega/FI 27.97%

Rimini: PD 56.99% Lega/FI 24.96% Centre-Left hold

Grosseto (70/76): Lega/FI 39.63 PD 34.53 5 Stars 19.67

Latina (66/116): Right 22.99 Local lists 22.23 PD 21.07 Forza Italia 14.2

Roma (2.384   / 2.600): 5 Stars 35.37 PD 24.77 Right 20.69 Forza Italia 10.91 Left 4.41

Benevento (37/72): Forza Italia 33 PD 32.98 5 Stars 21.22

Naples (759/ 886): De Magistris 42.45 Forza Italia 24.04 PD 21.34 5 Stars 9.74

Salerno (89/152): Centre-Left 70.76

Caserta (63/91): PD 43 Forza Italia 20.1

Brindisi (50/80): PD 32.54 Centrist 24.72 5 Stars 18.65 Left 14.38 Forza Italia 7.1

Cosenza (61/82): Forza Italia & 100 local lists 59.18 PD 19.52

Crotone (47/ 73): PD 29.77 Centrist 26.83 5 Stars 17.82

Cagliari (146/176): PD 50.88 Forza Italia 32.14 5 Stars 9.2

Read more: http://vote-2012.proboards.com/thread/7189/italian-local-elections#ixzz4Amh5q7y1

[Andrea]

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Post by andrea on 14 minutes ago
All polling places in.

Cagliari, Cosenza and Salerno are confirmed as first round wins along with Rimini.

The centre-right candidate in the Benevento run off is the infamous Mastella...who was switching coalitions every 2 minutes in the Berlusconi-Prodi years.

Trieste: FI/Lega 40.8 PD 29.22 5S 19.16
Pordenone: FI/Lega 45.5 PD 33.2 5S 12.4