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Virginian87
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2006, 03:43:46 PM »

George Washington - FF
John Adams - FF (yay Federalism.  Too bad he hated Hamilton.)
Thomas Jefferson - FF
James Madison - FF
James Monroe - FF
John Q. Adams - HP, but only as president.  He was one of the best Secretaries of State.
Andrew Jackson - HP for dismantling the BUS.  FF for encouraging the common people to take part in elections
Martin Van Buren - HP
William Harrison - HP (incompetent).  Would have been better had Clay been nominated.
John Tyler - HP
James Polk - FF
Zachary Taylor -HP
Millard Fillmore - HP
Franklin Pierce - HP (completely incompetent)
James Buchanan - HP (even more incompetent than Pierce)
Abraham Lincoln - Both (FF for preserving the union, HP for his autocratic methods of keeping the peace at home)
Andrew Johnson - Terrible president, but he resisted idiots like Thad Stevens who called for the complete destruction of the South, so barely FF
Ulysses Grant - HP (great general though)
Rutherford Hayes - HP (Tilden would have been a better president
James Garfield - HP
Chester Arthur - FF (for the Pendleton Act and civil service reform)
Grover Cleveland - FF
Benjamin Harrison - HP
William McKinley - Both (Spanish-American War was a good thing, but he ignored our nation's farmers)
Theodore Roosevelt - Massive FF (for environmental policies and Big Stick Diplomacy)
William Taft - FF (for Dollar Diplomacy)
Woodrow Wilson - Massive FF (for the 16th, 17th, and 19th Amendments, for bailing the Allies out in WWI, and for the revolutionary concept of the League of Nations that isolationist Republicans shot down)
Warren Harding - HP
Calvin Coolidge - FF
Herbert Hoover - HP (He is not to blame for the depression, but he kinda made things worse with the Smoot-Hawley Tariff)
Franklin Roosevelt - Massive FF (New Deal may have gone too far constitutionally, but it fueled optimism.  Of course he also won WWII)
Harry Truman - Massive FF (great Cold War policy)
Dwight Eisenhower - HP (For having John Foster Dulles as Secretary of State, and paid no attention to social issues)
John Kennedy - HP (empty rhetoric, accomplished nothing, laid groundwork for Vietnam involvement)
Lyndon Johnson - HP (went too far with Great Society, Vietnam;  good environmental policies though; actually much of Great Society such as Head Start, Medicare, and Medicaid wasn't that bad.  Affirmative Action was awful, though.)
Richard Nixon - HP (for secret bombing of Cambodia and failure to end the war in his first term; Watergate.  However, he was also a FF for opening up China and for founding the EPA)
Gerald Ford - FF
Jimmy Carter - HP (but only in his policies.  Personally, he's a FF in the purest sense of the word)
Ronald Reagan - FF (for taking steps necessary with Gorbachev to end Cold War.  HP for almost everything else)
George H. W. Bush - Mixed - FF for Desert Storm, but HP for not taking out Saddam when he had the chance.
Bill Clinton - FF
George W. Bush - HP
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2006, 03:49:03 PM »

George Washington - FF
John Adams - FF
Thomas Jefferson - HP
James Madison - FF
James Monroe - FF
John Q. Adams - HP
Andrew Jackson - FF
Martin Van Buren - HP
William Harrison - HP
John Tyler - HP
James Polk - FF
Zachary Taylor - HP
Millard Fillmore - HP
Franklin Pierce - HP
James Buchanan - HP
Abraham Lincoln - FF
Andrew Johnson - HP
Ulysses Grant - HP
Rutherford Hayes - HP
James Garfield - FF
Chester Arthur - FF
Grover Cleveland - HP
Benjamin Harrison - HP
William McKinley - FF
Theodore Roosevelt - FF
William Taft - FF
Woodrow Wilson - HP
Warren Harding - HP
Calvin Coolidge - FF
Herbert Hoover - HP
Franklin Roosevelt - FF
Harry Truman - FF
Dwight Eisenhower - FF
John Kennedy - HP
Lyndon Johnson - HP
Richard Nixon - FF
Gerald Ford - FF
Jimmy Carter - HP
Ronald Reagan - HP
George H. W. Bush - HP
Bill Clinton - FF
George W. Bush - HH
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2006, 05:12:09 PM »

Honestly, I do not have enough information to say for at least 2/3 of the presidents.  Most of the time when I think of presidents only a single event or few things come to mind giving me little basis for me to say what it should be.  However I'll still make a list.

Horrible People:
Abraham Lincoln
Woodrow Wilson
Franklin Roosevelt
Richard Nixon
Lyndon Johnson
Harry Truman

Borderline cases:
Herbert Hoover-yes he was socialist, but in fairness his actions were done with good intent, they weren't nearly as bad as FDR's policies, an he was a non-interventionist
Thomas Jefferson-did good in writing the declaration, and other such Freedom fighter movements, yet unconstitutionally made the Louisiana purchase, started a huge national debt...
Ronald Reagan-set the 'tone' for capitalism, lowered income tax-yet spent like crazy on missle defense and started the modern War on Drugs

Freedom Fighters:
George Washington
Warren Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Grover Cleveland
Jimmy Carter-though a very milquetoast one

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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2006, 05:16:29 PM »

I can probably do the more recent ones any justice

Theodore Roosevelt - FF
William Taft - FF
Woodrow Wilson - FF
Warren Harding - HP
Calvin Coolidge - HP
Herbert Hoover - HP
Franklin Roosevelt - FF
Harry Truman - FF
Dwight Eisenhower - FF
John Kennedy - FF
Lyndon Johnson - FF
Richard Nixon - FF
Gerald Ford - FF
Jimmy Carter - FF
Ronald Reagan - FF
George H. W. Bush - HP
Bill Clinton - FF
George W. Bush - HP
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2006, 09:33:03 PM »

I do not seperate Presidents into simplisitc stayings like these.
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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2006, 12:16:57 AM »

Nixon is really only a FF if you compare him to Bush.
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