List of Alternate Presidents

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President Kucinich is a Paultard's dream? Also, don't forget Quincy!

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Hackish List, according to Goldwater's Rules
I'll do every election, just for fun. A number of the early ones will be the same, but let's do this anyway.

1. George Washington (I-VA)/John Adams (F-MA) 1789-1797
2. John Adams (F-MA)/Charles Cotesworth Pinckney (F-SC) 1797-1801
3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)/George Clinton (DR-NY) 1801-1809
4. George Clinton (DR-NY)/James Madison (DR-VA) 1809-1812
5. James Madison (DR-VA)/vacant, Elbridge Gerry (DR-MA), vacant 1812-1817
6. John Quincy Adams (DR/-MA)/James Monroe (DR-VA), 1817-1825
7. William H. Crawford (DR/D-GA)/Nathaniel Macon (DR-GA) 1825-1829
8. Martin Van Buren (D-NY)/Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 1829-1837
9. James K. Polk (D-TN)/William L. Marcy (D-NY) 1837-1841
10. William Henry Harrison (W-OH)/Daniel Webster (W-MA) 1841
11. Daniel Webster (W-MA)/vacant 1841-1845
12. James K. Polk (D-TN)/Lewis Cass (D-MI) 1845-1849
13. Zachary Taylor (W-LA)/Millard Fillmore (W-NY) 1849-1853
14. Lewis Cass (D-MI)/Franklin Pierce (D-NH) 1853-1861
15. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/William H. Seward (R-NY) 1861-1869
16. Ulysses S. Grant (R-IL)/Schuyler Cofax (R-IN) 1869-1877
17. John H. Hartranft (R-PA)/Rutherford B. Hayes (R-OH) 1877-1881
18. John Sherman (R-OH)/Chester Alan Arthur (R-NY) 1881-1885
19. S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY)/Thomas Hendricks (D-IN), vacant 1885-1889
20. John Sherman (R-OH)/Levi P. Morton (R-NY) 1889-1893
21. S. Grover Cleveland (D-NY)/Adlai E. Stevenson I (D-IL) 1893-1897
22. William McKinley (R-OH)/Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 1897-1905
23. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN) 1905-1909
24. Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN)/Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH) 1909-1913
25. Carter Glass (D-VA)/Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN) 1913-1921
26. Warren G. Harding (R-OH)/J. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA) 1921-1923
27. J. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA)/vacant, Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA) 1923-1933
28. Herbert C. Hoover (R-CA)/vacant 1933
29. Alfred E. Smith (D-NY)/John Nance Garner (D-TX) 1933-1941
30. Cordell Hull (D-TN)/Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 1941-1945
31. Harry S. Truman (D-MO)/Alben W. Barkely (D-KY) 1945-1953
32. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS)/Richard M. Nixon (R-CA) 1953-1961
33. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Stuart Symington (D-MO) 1961-1963
34. Stuart Symington (D-MO)/vacant, George Smathers (D-FL) 1963-1969
35. Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/John G. Tower (R-TX) 1969-1977
36. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson (D-WA)/James Earl Carter (D-GA) 1977-1981
37. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA)/George H.W. Bush (R-TX) 1981-1989
38. George H.W. Bush (R-TX)/Jack F. Kemp (R-NY) 1989-1993
39. Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown (D-CA)/Paul Tsongas (D-MA), vacant, William J. Clinton (D-AR) 1993-2001
40. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)/John Ellis Bush (R-FL) 2001-2009
41. James Webb (D-VA)/Joseph R. Biden (D-DE) 2009-Present

What, may I ask, are Goldwater's rules?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

So here's this thread! I've been hashing out some ideas for a TL, what do y'all think?

Presidents of the United States of America
1. George Washington (Independent-VA): March 4, 1789-March 4, 1797
2. John Adams (Federalist-MA): March 4, 1797-March 4, 1801
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican-VA): March 4, 1801-March 4, 1809
4. James Madison (DR-VA): March 4, 1809-March 4, 1813
5. DeWitt Clinton (DR/National-NY): March 4, 1813-March 4, 1821
6. John C. Calhoun (N-SC): March 4, 1821-March 4, 1825
7. Andrew Jackson (Democratic-TN): March 4, 1825-March 4, 1833
8. Martin Van Buren (D-NY): March 4, 1833-March 4, 1841
9. Henry Clay (N-KY): March 4, 1841-March 4, 1845
10. James K. Polk (D-TN): March 4, 1845-March 4, 1849
11. James Buchanan (D-PA): March 4, 1849-March 4, 1857
12. John C. Breckinridge (D-KY): March 4, 1857*
13. Jefferson Davis (D-MS): March 4, 1857-March 4, 1861
14. George H. Pendleton (Peace Democratic-OH): March 4, 1861-March 4, 1865
15. Wade Hampton III (D-SC): March 4, 1865-March 4, 1873
16. Robert Toombs (Redeemer-GA): March 4, 1873-March 4, 1877
17. William Allen (D-OH): March 4, 1877-July 11, 1879
18. Thomas A. Hendricks (D-KY): July 11, 1879-March 4, 1881
19. Thomas F. Bayard (R-DE): March 4, 1881-March 4, 1889
20. Joseph E. Brown (R-GA): March 4. 1889-March 4, 1893
21. Thomas F. Bayard (R-DE): March 4, 1893-March 4, 1897
22. Thomas E. Watson (Populist-GA): March 4, 1897-September 14, 1901**
23. John Sharp Williams (P-MS): September 14, 1901-March 4, 1905
24. James K. Vardaman (D-MS): March 4, 1905-October 19, 1910***
25. Coleman Livingston Blease (D-SC): October 19, 1910-February 2, 1911
26. William H. Taft (I-OH): February 2, 1911-March 4, 1913****
27. Booker T. Washington (P-AL): March 4, 1913-November 14, 1915


*Assassinated after the first sentence of his inaugural address: "My fellow citizens, today I address you as the President of these United States." President Davis and Justice Taney rushed up to him (rather unwisely, as the gunman was still in the crowd) and, quickly realizing that he would not survive, administered the oath right then and there. Davis's address (he gave a more official speech later, which is the one in all the history books) was the shortest of any President's, at just four sentences: "Please do not be alarmed. I shall carry out the duties of the office of President, the office God has thrust upon me. I will execute the will of the people of the United States. Thank you, and may God keep us safe."

**Assassinated over his support for civil rights after his Populist party, which came to power in 1896 after slowly building influence among poor farmers (many hurt by the international sanctions) and the few free blacks there were, attempted to move for small-scale manumission of slaves. Under Watson and his successor, John Sharp Williams, violence both by against slaves and liberal whites rose to a fever pitch until war broke out in 1904.

***Assassinated (seeing a theme?) during the bloodiest months of the war, late 1910, by a black rebel. his successor, Coleman Livingston Blease, met the same fate five months later.

****Speaker Taft, widely seen as a moderate and a calming force, finally took the reigns after "the seven longest years in our nation's history," promising an end to the war and peace between blacks and whites. With broad support across party lines, he was able to secure freedom and limited civil rights, including the vote, for the ex-slaves and some monetary compensation for their lost property. He was and is widely hailed as one of history's great statesmen and reformers.

Presidents of the Republic of New England
1. Caleb Strong (F-MA): February 4, 1813-February 4, 1819
2. John Quincy Adams (F-MA): February 4, 1819-February 4, 1825
3. Levi Lincoln (F-MA): February 4, 1825-February 4, 1831
4. William A. Palmer (Anti-Masonic-VT): February 4, 1831-February 4, 1837
5. Daniel Webster (F-MA): February 4, 1837-February 4, 1843
6. Thomas Wilson Dorr (People's-RI): February 4, 1843-February 4, 1849*
7. Edward Everett (F-MA): February 4, 1849-February 4, 1855
8. John P. Hale (F-NH): February 4, 1855-February 4, 1861
9. Henry Wilson (P-MA): February 4, 1861-February 4, 1867
10. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain (I-ME): February 4, 1867-February 4, 1873
11. Roscoe Conkling (N/Republican-NY): February 4, 1873-February 4, 1879**
12. Charles Francis Adams (Liberal-MA): February 4, 1879-February 4, 1885
13. James G. Blaine (L-ME): February 4, 1885-February 4, 1891
14. George F. Edmunds (R-VT): February 4, 1891-February 4, 1897
15. Thomas Brackett Reed (R-ME): February 4, 1897-December 7, 1902
16. some colorful character: December 7, 1902-February 4, 1903***
17. George F. Hoar (L-MA): February 4, 1903-September 30, 1904
18. super progressive reformy dude: September 30, 1904-January 4, 1909
19. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY): January 4, 1909-January 4, 1915
20. Charles Evans Hughes (R-NY): January 4, 1915-January 4, 1921
21. William C. Sproul (L-PA): January 4, 1921-January 4, 1927
22. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA): January 4, 1927-January 4, 1933
23. Franklin D. Roosevelt (L-NY): January 4, 1933-January 4, 1939
24. Styles Bridges (R-NH): January 4, 1939-January 4, 1945
25. Thomas E. Dewey (R-NY): January 4, 1945-January 4, 1951
26. Douglas MacArthur (R-MA): January 4, 1951-January 4, 1957
27. Henry Cabot Lodge (R-MA): January 4, 1957-January 4, 1963
28. John F. Kennedy (L-MA): January 4, 1963-November 22, 1963
29. Abraham A. Ribicoff (L-CT): November 22, 1963-January 4, 1969
30. Edmund S. Muskie (L-ME): January 4, 1969-January 4, 1975
31. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY): January 4, 1975-January 4, 1981
32. Edward M. Kennedy (L-MA): January 4, 1981-January 4, 1987
33. Michael Dukakis (L-MA): January 4, 1987-January 4, 1993
34. Mario Cuomo (L-NY): January 4, 1993-January 4, 1999
35. Joseph I. Lieberman (L-CT): January 4, 1999-January 4, 2005
36. John Kerry (L-MA): January 4, 2005-January 4, 2011****
37. Howard Dean (Progressive-VT): January 4, 2011-present

*There were significant disputes about the 1842 election, especially since it occurred during the Common Rebellion, so Dorr and his opponent, Roger Sherman Baldwin, both swore themselves in on February 4. The Supreme Court ruled 3-2 that Rhode Island's Freemen's Constitution, enacted earlier in 1842, applied to that election and that the votes of non-property owners counted, officially electing Dorr. This was not settled until March, however.

**The first President since William A. Palmer not from either the Federalist or People's Party, Conkling was an old National machine man from the Union. Vice President George McClellan had been elected the previous time on the so-called "Victory Ticket" along with former Federalist Joshua Chamberlain, so the parties were naturally already close, and in 1872 Conkling and Gov. William B. Washburn (chosen to assuage the Eastern Federalists' fears of a Western, New York-based takeover of the political system) won on another unity ticket. The two parties later merged into the new Republican Party.

***Not only did President Reed's death present a conundrum for the New England government, having never faced a succession crisis like this before, it was magnified by the death of Vice President Garret Hobart three years earlier. With Speaker [some dude] quickly assuming the powers of the Presidency as an immediate lame duck, many were quick to call him "His Fraudulency" or "The 17.5th President of the Republic of New England," but he was able to solidify power with the Succession Act, naming the line of succession as President, VP, Speaker, President pro tempore of the Senate, and then the cabinet. A constitutional amendment soon passed shortened the lame duck period by a month, causing the President to be inaugurated on January 4.

****The bitter election of 2004, fought mainly over President Lieberman's invasion of Iraq, was the first one in the nation's history to be decided by the House of Representatives. Neither pro-war Republican Colin Powell, anti-war Howard Dean (running on the new Progressive Party), nor moderate, but cautiously pro-war Liberal John Kerry was able to capture a majority of the vote, with Powell eking out a surprise plurality, so it was sent to the Liberal-controlled House, which, Powell's endorsement of Kerry, elected the Massachusetts senator. Most historians would look back on this crucial moment as the death knell of the Republican Party and the beginning of the Fifth Party System.

Emperors of Louisiana
1. Aaron/Aarón: May 17, 1809-September 14, 1836
2. Luisa (Louisa): September 14, 1836-1878
3. Juan (John): 1878-1904
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