SENATE BILL: Ukrainian Technical, Economical and Military Aid (Debating)

[Lumine]

You offering that now or just sampling opinions at present?

Formal amendment!

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Superique has the right idea as far as what we want to be legislating. 

However, $9 billion is a lot of money.  What are we trying to do that is so expensive?

Indeed, the reason why I chose such a large sum was that the Ukrainian economy almost suffered a crippling blow with all of this. The loss of Crimea and Sebastopol is already a heavy loss, and we have to remember that as long as Donetsk suffers the attack of Russian-backer insurgents and terrorists then that region can't be productive (and it is the single most productive one). Even more, the energy war Russia declared forced Ukraine to spend increasingly large amounts of money to keep the oil flowing. I chose $9 billions by comparing to what other countries have sent, as a Japan sent $10 billion or so and the European Union has sent two or three times that sum.

Since this is directed as a long term effort to protect and help Ukraine, I figured a large amount made more sense than $1 or $2 billions, which would be more symbolic than effective given the expenses.

Okay, but what does the bulk of this money go toward?  Energy development?

[President Tyrion]

Wait, why are we intent on making NGOs handle this?

The Senate and Atlasian government may not be perfect, but I'd rather we handle our own money.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Cincy you gonna process that amendment?

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Wait, why are we intent on making NGOs handle this?

The Senate and Atlasian government may not be perfect, but I'd rather we handle our own money.

The question was whether we are going to give it to NGOs or to the Ukrainian government.

[Cincinnatus]

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Feedback: Origination
Status: 24 hours to object.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Really we should say they are appropriated to the NGOs. They should be handled by the Dept of External Affairs.  Plus we should cut out all direct funds to the Government of Ukraine.

[President Tyrion]

Wait, why are we intent on making NGOs handle this?

The Senate and Atlasian government may not be perfect, but I'd rather we handle our own money.

The question was whether we are going to give it to NGOs or to the Ukrainian government.

Ah, ok

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[Lumine]

I do consider some parts of it reasonable (like restricting anti-semitic and/or xenophobic views), but cutting the aid in half and eliminating the military section would, in my view, weaken the overall purpose of the act (which is also set to deal with the whole Donetsk situation). Amendment hostile.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I agree with Sen. Lumine's statement - it's great that we're kicking Svoboda and Co. out of government, but we shouldn't be cutting aid to their military. Would introducing a competing amendment be considered proper Senatorial procedure or can we do one of those amendment split things?

[TNF]

I feel that the aid we're cutting can be best spent at home.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You still out there Cincy?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I feel that the aid we're cutting can be best spent at home.

I suppose that is something on which we'll have to differ.

[Cincinnatus]

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Feedback: Hostile
Status: A vote is now open on the aforementioned amendment.  Please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Goldwater]

NAY

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Nay.

[TNF]

Aye

[Lumine]

Nay.

[bore]

Aye

[windjammer]

"Workers of the world, unite."

[windjammer]

How and by the way, do you realize that $5B represents absolutely nothing in term of spending for Atlasia?

[Sec. of State Superique]

This is just an absurd. We cannot require them to ban the "Right Sector". We can ask them not to include their leaders in government roles but we cannot ask them to destroy an organization.

[President Tyrion]

Nay

[DC Al Fine]

Nay

I like democracy.