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Murica!
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« on: July 12, 2017, 09:45:07 AM »

No(or less for that matter) more stupid or imperialistic then those who supported the USA and NATO during the Cold War.
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Murica!
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2017, 10:15:20 AM »

Absolute hypocrites. Modern politicos forget way too easily that the Soviet Union was closer to a fascist state than a socialist one.

Explain, please? There were no millionaires in the USSR until the 1980s. There were plenty in the fascist states.

There's a lot more to socialism than just equality in wealth. Equality in race, religion, ethnicity, and the rest of the works are also key - as is the defense of civil liberties and freedom of speech, which is why Eugene Debs is sympathetically-regarded by many self-proclaimed libertarians, and why Bernie Sanders has been such an ardent opponent of things like the PATRIOT Act. Even beyond that, the USSR really wasn't equal in wealth or power, either - the very crux of socialist thought. There were no millionaires, sure, but Soviet money was not in any way distributed equally among Soviet citizens; it was all in the hands of the government. I find that socialists also tend toward noninterventionism, at least in my experience with them, and the Soviet Union was the absolute furthest thing from noninterventionist.

So, that's my argument. When you get down to it, the Soviet Union was barely any different from Nazi Germany - just poorer.


The Government controlled everything in the soviet era which is literally the definition of Communism .
I know this will be totally useless, but I guess I'm simply a fan of lost causes.

No, that is not "literally the definition of Communism." the Soviet Union did not even claim to be "communist" but rather socialist*, and theoretically** and in actuality***, it was nothing more than State-Capitalism with a few more red flags.

*Socialist in this case referring to the theoretical Leninist transitional period between Capitalism and Communism, not to the ownership of the means of production
**Theoretically the Soviet Union failed to be modeled on the Paris Commune as Marx, Engels and even Lenin wanted
***In actuality, the economy of the Soviet Union was totally centralized into the Bureaucracy rather than given over to the control of the workers, either through their control of the State, or through the original basis of the Union, the Soviets.
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