The Truth About Hillary

[BlueSwan]

Let's try to be realistic for one second here. Can we all at least agree that IF Hillary Clinton was a terrible politician and generally terrible person to work with, then most top democratic politicans would know about this?

How, then, would one explain the historically unprecedented levels of support that Hillary Clinton has had from the democratic establishment, giving her a massive lead amongst superdelegates even before the race started?

How would one explain Barack Obama almost demanding of her that she became Secretary Of State at a point in time where he had already won the election and she actually refused his first attempts to convince her?

How would one explain Barack Obama calling her the most qualified person to ever seek the white house and clearly taking great joy in making the case for her bid?

Sure, there is partisanship. Sure the Clintons are a powerful factor in the democratic party. However, the Clintons are also getting old with no heir to their political dynasty (Chelsea seems uninterested). Had Clinton lost this primary bid, it would likely have meant the end of the Clinton dynasty as we know it. If democratic politicans thought that Hillary was awful it seems very very far fetched that they would support her almost unanimously from the beginning.

[BlueSwan]

She got it wrong by pushing a plan that would not pass Congress.

Blaming Hillary for being too ambitious and idealistic. Well, she really can't win, can she?

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Let's remember for a second that Hillary was new on the national political scene in 1993. Being first lady of Arkansas isn't Washington. She is not new on the scene in 2016.

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Possibly, but Obamacare/Romneycare is really a terrible mess of a plan that nobody really likes. Hillarycare, while still far from the European standard of universal public health care, was still far better than Obamacare/Romneycare. I think it is fairly understandable, that democrats coming off a presidential win AND controlling both chambers of congress, were not willing to settle for such a mess of a plan.

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Health care? Women's rights?

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Same as above? Having said that, I don't think this is what the Hillary Clinton of 2016 is really about. She is about providing competent leadership and gradually moving the country in a progressive direction, which really is the only way that progress is made in democracies. Hillary is a pragmatic politician and usually that is the kind of politican it takes to get things done.

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Regarding the Iraq war, let's remember that she didn't actually support the war.

[BlueSwan]

I'd actually argue the other way: if Hillary Clinton is so beloved by Democrats, why did it take her so long to secure the nomination from a 74 year old socialist that started out with very little name recognition and very little in the way of organization? Why does the admired Hillary Clinton find it so difficult to win over the support of young voters? And why the apparent necessity to assign all those superdelegates to Mrs. Clinton prior to any primary or caucus taking place?

Your not really answering my assertion, which had everything to do with the people in the know (superdelegates) and not with the public. Besides there are plenty of answers to that question and none of which have anything to do with Clintons abilities as a politican in office. Clinton is the type of politican you want in office, not on the campaign trail. She's not a demagogue.

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I call BS on this. There are many ways to endorse a candidate. Obviously Obama was always going to endorse the democratic candidate, but do you honestly think he doesn't mean what he says here? He's taking very obvious delight in championing Hillary. You also ignored the fact that he insisted on making her SOS even if she didn't want the job.

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Well, this sounds like wishful thinking to me. You are not looking at the actual facts infront of you. This is like the r/sanders4president poster who came up with this huge conspiracy theory about how Obama really wanted Clinton to be indicted so he could back the person he really wanted to back, which was Sanders.