BREAKING: John McCain calls for a select committee on Russia

[EnglishPete]

Does McCain have a list of 205 names of Russian spies secretly working for the Trump campaign?

Joe McCarthy was a hero and John McCain wouldn't have been fit to lace his boots.

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You know if John McCain had out as much determination into battling Obama in the 2008 election as he has into pursuing his grudge against President Trump maybe he could have become president himself. I wonder if he ever thinks about that?

[EnglishPete]

Does McCain have a list of 205 names of Russian spies secretly working for the Trump campaign?

Joe McCarthy was a hero and John McCain wouldn't have been fit to lace his boots.

Anyone who questions Great Leader is wrong. Got it.

When the realization kicks in that you supported a criminal guilty of treason, I hope you come back here and admit it to everyone. I have been looking for someone in your cult to finally admit they were wrong.

LOL

From the Salem witch trails to the Cultural Revolution to today. People like you are so predictable.

Confession! I want a confession!

You did consort with the devil! CONFESS!

You are a counterrevolutionary! CONFESS!

You did support Trump conspiring with Putin! CONFESS!

[EnglishPete]

Does McCain have a list of 205 names of Russian spies secretly working for the Trump campaign?

Joe McCarthy was a hero and John McCain wouldn't have been fit to lace his boots.

Anyone who questions Great Leader is wrong. Got it.

When the realization kicks in that you supported a criminal guilty of treason, I hope you come back here and admit it to everyone. I have been looking for someone in your cult to finally admit they were wrong.

LOL

From the Salem witch trails to the Cultural Revolution to today. People like you are so predictable.

Confession! I want a confession!

You did consort with the devil! CONFESS!

You are a counterrevolutionary! CONFESS!

You did support Trump conspiring with Putin! CONFESS!

You are criticising other people for supporting witch trials when. You yourself are endorsing literal McCarthyism

As far as McCarthy goes he was doing his job as a Senator investigating the problem of communist party members and supporters working in the State Department. This was not only illegal, such political extremists were specifically banned by law from working there, but was also a serious security risk. Perhaps even worse such people exercised a malign influence on US policy influencing it in way that is favourable to communism. In this they were supported by Democratic Party leadership who covered up this infiltration.

Everyone publicly identified by McCarthy as a communist, and he was very careful about not publicly naming people as such where he felt the evidence was insufficiently strong, was confirmed by later research to be one. They were not the innocent victims they were portrayed to be. Would you be unconcerned if German Bund members had joined the State Department before or during America's entry into WWII?

The hysteria of McCarthyism came not from the Senator himself but from his opponents. Their dishonest and hysterical misrepresentations of McCarty have become received wisdom for 60 years. They had far more in common with witch hunters than McCarthy ever did. Chief among them, of course, was the Liberal media, The New York Times, most other newspapers, and of course the broadcast media. Most famously of course Ed Murrow's well known hatchet job.

 I have to wonder how the history of McCarthyism would have gone if there had not been the liberal media monopoly there was in the US at the time and until the 90s. If Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, Sean Hannity, Breitbart,Daily Caller, Gateway Pundit, Infowars had all the time. If McCarthy supporters had been able to respond to the media attacks with their own debunking YouTube videos, blogs and facebook articles. If they had been able to tweet frog memes at Murrow during his show instead of having to passively watch it at home.

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He wouldn't care about Russia if it didn't happen to have a regime he and his other democracy cultists didn't like.

what the heck is a "democracy cultist"?

Someone searching for reasons to get to war. I hope you will still applaude him when Europe is a battlefield for "freedom" and "democracy"

if he would have answered like that, i wouldn't have replied. since he used it as a club to praise a dictator, i feel myself on solid ground opposing this.

It's bad when people get locked up for having the "wrong" opinion, getting threats when entering legal parties, getting beaten or property destroyed by government-paid troops, getting police visits when posting "hate" (=what the government declares for "hate") on social media, LOSE their job because of  "block waiting" or get silenced because of threats to tell the employer etc.

Sadly, I'm not speaking about Russia but about Western European countries, especially my own.

Maybe you better weak up and open your eyes. Not really helpful to talk about your neighbour when your own house is in flames.

Come on now you know the drill.

Joe McCarthy causes a few left wing extremists to lose their government jobs = A horrific attack on freedom that must be condemned down the generations

left wing governments and supporting activists cause literally thousands on people on the right whose opinions they don't like to be sacked from work of any kind, arrested, imprisoned, threatened and assaulted with impunity by street activists acting with the complicity and support of government, economically boycotted with the support and encouragement of authorities etc etc. All this goes on for decades = nothing to see here, Germany/UK/Sweden/etc are free and open democratic societies.

[EnglishPete]

Does McCain have a list of 205 names of Russian spies secretly working for the Trump campaign?

Joe McCarthy was a hero and John McCain wouldn't have been fit to lace his boots.

Joseph R. McCarthy was a liar, a demagogue, and a hypocrite.   

OK, name one person identified as a communist by McCarthy who was innocent of the charge. It was illegal at the time for political extremists to be employed at the State Department. Would you have been so unconcerned about nazi supporters being employed there (also illegal). No of course not but then for you, no doubt, being a communist is less reprehensible than being nazi and you think even if they did support communism they should have been given a break.

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Lets get a few facts straight here shall we.  McCarthy originally claimed to have a list of 57 suspected communists (not 205 as later errorneously reported in some places) and that list was eventually lengthened, not shortened. The various people who were publically named by him in his Senate work (and he was careful not to name those for whom he had insufficient evidence) were later shown by later research to indeed be guilty of that charge. Owen Lattimore, Annie Lee Moss, Dorothy Kenyon, Haldore Hanson, Esther Brunner, Gustavo Duran etc, etc. All communist party supporters.

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Ok what is this fight against the right, since the Merkel government is right-wing

The Merkel government is a coalition between her own centrist CDU party and the left wing SPD party. How on earth is that right wing?

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Since 1949 every German Chancellor has either been from the centrist CDU party or the left wing SPD party.

[EnglishPete]

Does McCain have a list of 205 names of Russian spies secretly working for the Trump campaign?

Joe McCarthy was a hero and John McCain wouldn't have been fit to lace his boots.

Joseph R. McCarthy was a liar, a demagogue, and a hypocrite.   

OK, name one person identified as a communist by McCarthy who was innocent of the charge. It was illegal at the time for political extremists to be employed at the State Department. Would you have been so unconcerned about nazi supporters being employed there (also illegal). No of course not but then for you, no doubt, being a communist is less reprehensible than being nazi and you think even if they did support communism they should have been given a break.

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Lets get a few facts straight here shall we.  McCarthy originally claimed to have a list of 57 suspected communists (not 205 as later erroneously reported in some places) and that list was eventually lengthened, not shortened. The various people who were publically named by him in his Senate work (and he was careful not to name those for whom he had insufficient evidence) were later shown by later research to indeed be guilty of that charge. Owen Lattimore, Annie Lee Moss, Dorothy Kenyon, Haldore Hanson, Esther Brunner, Gustavo Duran etc, etc. All communist party supporters.

1. Whether Stalin was worse than Hitler is a quibble. Murder is always inexcusable, whether it results from a botched armed robbery or serves as a tool of repression or oppression. Good scholarship has reduced the toll of deaths from Stalin by recognizing double-counting (was someone executed for anti-Party activities or being an Enemy of the People? One could be both and thus be double-counted... but dead nonetheless. Also, people charged with mass purges overstated the number of people that they killed so that they could avoid being fired (and worse) for inefficiency, inadequacy, or subordination. Toward the end of his life, one of the harshest critics of Stalin for his death toll (Robert Conquest) recognized these realities. Still, Stalin was one of the greatest serial killers and mass killers of all time.

Ah yes the 'lets blame all of the problems of communism on Stalin' tactic favoured by Trots and other leftists since forever. Not only was Stalin as bad as Hitler, so were Lenin and Trotsky, they just had less time. Also you didn't mention the Holodomor or Lenin's man made famine of 1921. I do hope you're not a Holodomor denier! Over the last 100 years communism has contributed more, by far, to the sum total of human misery than any other ideology.

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So is Hitler but people, especially on the left, seem to keep bringing him up. It most certainly was relevant in 1950. What has that to do with any of the communists accused by McCarthy being innocent of the charge. The accusation about McCarthy is that he accused innocent people of being communists. Where is the evidence that they were innocent of the charge.

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Again this has nothing to do with the situation in 1950. Social and legal attitudes of the time made homosexuals far more vulnerable to 'honeytrap' blackmail than most others and the view that they were a security risk when in sensitive government jobs was the standard view of the time.

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This is a reference to the widespread accusation that McCarthy was a drunk. This accusation was spead about a lot by his opponents but was disputed by others who knew him.

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And yet after his opponents in the Senate has 17 years of his financial records trawled through they found no evidence of any criminality caused by his gambling or anything else, in fact he's actually slightly overpaid his taxes.

Now that we've got all that whataboutary out of the way, could you point to a single case of someone accused by McCarthy of being a communist of being innocent.

I've a feeling that, like many leftists your problem with McCarthy isn't that he accused the innocent but that he accused the guilty.