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Dr. Arch
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« on: November 19, 2016, 11:21:46 PM »

Ryan is not trying to do either of these things. In fact, he's one of the few people trying to make them solvent, so that they don't go bankrupt for future generations.

You see, when you stop imaging people who disagree with your politics as evil inhuman monsters, and actually seek to understand them, your prospects in life become much more brighter, and you will be less constrained by hatred and self-righteousness.

Have you been following his statements: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/15/paul-ryans-plan-to-phase-out-medicare-is-just-what-democrats-need/

"As part of his strategy, Ryan must convince people that Medicare is all but dead already, so we don’t actually lose much by putting it out of its misery. That’s why he says things like, “Because of Obamacare, Medicare is going broke.” This is not just a lie but the precise opposite of the truth, and Ryan knows full well it is; in fact, the ACA extended the solvency of the Medicare trust fund by over a decade. And be warned: Any time you hear Republicans say the phrase “entitlement reform,” understand that phasing out Medicare is what they’re talking about."
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Dr. Arch
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2016, 11:54:41 PM »

Ryan is not trying to do either of these things. In fact, he's one of the few people trying to make them solvent, so that they don't go bankrupt for future generations.

You see, when you stop imaging people who disagree with your politics as evil inhuman monsters, and actually seek to understand them, your prospects in life become much more brighter, and you will be less constrained by hatred and self-righteousness.

He stated they were going to do it, and you're here preaching about the opposition opening its mind about him not wanting to do it? WHAT?

Here's another blasted quote. Could we stop with the condescension and straw men and actually address what they're proposing?

"Through all the gobbledygook and bamboozlement, you'll find this line on Ryan's page: "For younger workers, when they become eligible, Medicare will provide a premium-support payment and a list of guaranteed coverage options – including a traditional fee-for-service option – from which recipients can choose a plan that best suits their needs."

This means, if you haven't gone on Medicare yet, when you do, you won't get Medicare. You'll get a "premium-support payment" - i.e., a check that will allow you to buy insurance from private insurers. The "support" in the phrase means it won't cover the whole amount. And in any case, rather than Medicare you'll have insurance from an insurance company, which everybody should love because haven't you heard from your parents and grandparents how bummed they were when they had to give up their private insurance for Medicare?

You'll hear lots of people calling this "reform" and other catchwords. But Medicare is a single payer, universal health care system. Replacing it with private insurance means getting rid of it. Even calling it "privatization" masks what is really afoot."

Link: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/ryan-plans-to-phase-out-medicare-in-2017
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