Opinion of JohanusCalvinusLibertas

[Smash255]

Birthers are among the world's stupidest people....

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

None of which is relevant. Another easily debunkable absolute garbage thing is that Obama was born anywhere besides Hawaii. As he was, he is a natural born citizen, period. And it is impossible to not believe he was and be anything other than complete moron.

Yes, I'm a moron

Fixed.

[JewCon]

They are stupid, yes. But! Doesn't mean they are evil racists.

[Mechaman]

They are stupid, yes. But! Doesn't mean they are evil racists.

This.
Hell, weren't there a few black LaRouche Democrats who bought the Birther crap as well?

[Associate Justice PiT]

They are stupid, yes. But! Doesn't mean they are evil racists.

     I think there is a definite element of racism for many of them, though I also suspect that there's many people who just use it as a proxy for opposing the President, or otherwise don't understand that it's relevant to anything. I remember the poll that showed that a small number of birthers actually support Obama.

[Mechaman]

They are stupid, yes. But! Doesn't mean they are evil racists.

     I think there is a definite element of racism for many of them, though I also suspect that there's many people who just use it as a proxy for opposing the President, or otherwise don't understand that it's relevant to anything. I remember the poll that showed that a small number of birthers actually support Obama.

What the FUUUUUUUUUUDGE!?

"Only I didn't say 'fudge.'  I said the word.  The big one.  The queen mother of all dirty words.  The 'f, dash, dash, dash' word."

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

They are stupid, yes. But! Doesn't mean they are evil racists.

All? Probably not. A very significant part of the group? Absolutely.

[Mr. Morden]

I remember the poll that showed that a small number of birthers actually support Obama.

Yes, here's the Gallup poll taken shortly before Obama released his birth certificate:

Oh, and here's the breakdown of birtherism by Obama support.  Yes, a handful of "birthers" are Obama supporters:

As I mention in that thread, one has to be clear about what one means by "birthers":
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There is presumably a large fraction of the population that doesn't understand the "natural born citizen" rule, and is only vaguely aware that there's some kind of controversy over Obama's birthplace.  Or they're thrown by the question, and think it's a trick question and give a strange answer.  Or they correctly believe he was born in Hawaii, but don't realize that it's part of the USA:  http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/08/deeper-look-at-birthers.html

Those people may believe he was born outside the USA, but don't realize that that would have any impact on his eligibility for president, or make his presidency "illegal".  Some of those people are going to be Obama supporters.  At least one of the polls even showed that there were some "birthers" who are black and Obama supporters.  They're birthers in the sense that they think he was born overseas, but not in the sense that they think there's something wrong with that, or that there's a big conspiracy over it.

[Smash255]

They are stupid, yes. But! Doesn't mean they are evil racists.

All? Probably not. A very significant part of the group? Absolutely.

Agreed, its a combination of people who are racist, and those who are insanely stupid.  The vast majority fit in the category of both racist & stupid.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

FTR, my science teacher is a birther, andftom my perspective, he's intelligent and I wouldn't see him as racist. I'm no advocating birtherism, just saying that not every one is some dumb hillbilly.

[Joe Republic]

FTR, my science teacher is a birther

I'll stop you there.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but you attend some kind of religious school, do you not?

[feeblepizza]

FTR, my science teacher is a birther

I'll stop you there.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but you attend some kind of religious school, do you not?

And the fact that he teaches at a religious school makes him less intelligent?

[Smash255]

FTR, my science teacher is a birther

I'll stop you there.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but you attend some kind of religious school, do you not?

And the fact that he teaches at a religious school makes him less intelligent?

Well I'm not sure how well actual Science Teachers fit at some religious schools (the whole evolution thing and all), but well the fact he is a birther shows that he isn't intelligent.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I think some Birthers just get caught up in the mystery of conspiracy and coverup. The people who come up with these elaborate conspiracy have some sort of misdirected intelligence and curiousity, though with some common sense missing.

[Badger]

FF

Are you f-ing kidding me?

If not, my opinion of your judge of character just plummeted.

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

FF

Are you f-ing kidding me?

If not, my opinion of your judge of character just plummeted.

Badger, I've seen some of your work on this site. Though we may disagree on some of the little things I have a ton of respect for you. Tmth and I have some differences (regarding my support of Dr Paul, his support of Lugar, and my support of the birthers) but he agrees with a lot of my policy positions.
I'm not as radical as many of you think.

[Mechaman]

FF

Are you f-ing kidding me?

If not, my opinion of your judge of character just plummeted.

Badger, I've seen some of your work on this site. Though we may disagree on some of the little things I have a ton of respect for you. Tmth and I have some differences (regarding my support of Dr Paul, his support of Lugar, and my support of the birthers) but he agrees with a lot of my policy positions.
I'm not as radical as many of you think.

Meh, besides his belief in the birther movement JCL is actually not that bad of a poster as some people portray him as.

[Napoleon]

If by not bad you mean not real, I agree.

[Mechaman]

If by not bad you mean not real, I agree.

Actually yes I do.
Until I see a birth certificate there is no reason why I should entertain the idea that JCL is a real person.

[Smash255]

FF

Are you f-ing kidding me?

If not, my opinion of your judge of character just plummeted.

Badger, I've seen some of your work on this site. Though we may disagree on some of the little things I have a ton of respect for you. Tmth and I have some differences (regarding my support of Dr Paul, his support of Lugar, and my support of the birthers) but he agrees with a lot of my policy positions.
I'm not as radical as many of you think.

Meh, besides his belief in the birther movement JCL is actually not that bad of a poster as some people portray him as.

Anyone who is part of the birther movement is that bad of a poster by definition.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Anyone who is part of the birther movement is that bad of a poster by definition.

^^^