Sources: US believes Israel has already decided to attack Iran

[CLARENCE 2015!]

BRTD- I have read that Jordan would give Isreal refueling permissions

[dead0man]

Same with S.Arabia.  These countries don't want Iran having the bomb anymore than Israel does.  From here...

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[Cory]

So Israel wants to launch an air strike against hard targets with well-prepared defenses and probably had dedicated airfields for their defense? And the Iranians know they are coming and know what their targets are?

What could go wrong?

[Redalgo]

So Israel wants to launch an air strike against hard targets with well-prepared defenses and probably had dedicated airfields for their defense? And the Iranians know they are coming and know what their targets are?

What could go wrong?

I am not so sure. Given the resources Israel has at hand, I would argue that its air force is one of the most proficient in the world. Missile batteries might give them some trouble but I suspect that in dogfights the Israeli pilots would overwhelm their Iranian counterparts - the former has better equipment and much more combat experience. On the other hand, I could easily be underestimating the effectiveness of IRIAF hardware.

[Cory]

I am not so sure. Given the resources Israel has at hand, I would argue that its air force is one of the most proficient in the world. Missile batteries might give them some trouble but I suspect that in dogfights the Israeli pilots would overwhelm their Iranian counterparts - the former has better equipment and much more combat experience. On the other hand, I could easily be underestimating the effectiveness of IRIAF hardware.

Their air-force is of great quality however they will be vastly outnumbered and the Iranians will of course have the support of their SAMs. The Israelis will also have a very limited overflight time, meaning they can't afford to get in protracted engagements with Iranian planes. Keep in mind that the Iranians will also know of course the obvious targets of an Israeli strike, and can plan accordingly.

That's why some say in order for an attack to be successful America would have to participate. With out added firepower we can attack their airbases, SAM/s radars, ect. Otherwise the Israeli's are walking into a deathtrap. I guess you could say it's the aerial version of a defence-in-depth.

[Insula Dei]

I'm not an expert on warfare or anything, but it's my understanding that Israel can easily have any of its neighbours in conventional warfare, including the sort of precision bombardments needed to destroy the Irani nuclear program. The big question, then, is whether precision bombardments would be sufficient to derail a hypothetical Irani nucleat program.

The weak point of the IDF, ironically, is dealing with the sort of guerilla warfare its direct opponents usually deploy. It's quite easy to kill a bunch of Palestinians whenever the occasion arises, like we've again been able to see over the past faw days, but actually 'defeating' a vaguely defined, nebulous militia like Hamas or Hezbollah is something else entirely. Case in point: the Israeli's being fought to a standstill in Lebanon in 2006.

[Eraserhead]

I'll believe when it happens - not before.

[Хahar 🤔]

Same with S.Arabia.  These countries don't want Iran having the bomb anymore than Israel does.  From here...

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Saudi Arabia is probably the worst country in the world, so that makes sense.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Same with S.Arabia.  These countries don't want Iran having the bomb anymore than Israel does.  From here...

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Saudi Arabia is probably the worst country in the world, so that makes sense.

Does your family consider the House of Saud heretics and defilers of the Holy Cities? I know that's a fairly common position amongst Westernized Muslims.

[Хahar 🤔]

Same with S.Arabia.  These countries don't want Iran having the bomb anymore than Israel does.  From here...

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Saudi Arabia is probably the worst country in the world, so that makes sense.

Does your family consider the House of Saud heretics and defilers of the Holy Cities? I know that's a fairly common position amongst Westernized Muslims.

I do. I don't think I've ever talked about it with my mom, but my dad is certainly disgusted by them.

[Vosem]

The Economist said Iraq has allowed Israel to use an airfield right by the Iranian border. Funnily enough, most of the countries between the two would rather Israel win, not Iran. Or at least their governments.

[dead0man]

Indeed.  The only people that like Iran are the PRC (sometimes*), Russia (sometimes), India (occasionally*), anti-Semites, left leaning people that hate the West and N.Korea.



....yeah, yeah, you don't hate the west.....



*and I read yesterday that they both want to assist Israel in building the train to Eliat because of the idiocy surrounding the Straights of Hormuz.

[Bacon King]

Indeed.  The only people that like Iran are the PRC (sometimes*), Russia (sometimes), India (occasionally*), anti-Semites, left leaning people that hate the West and N.Korea.



....yeah, yeah, you don't hate the west.....



*and I read yesterday that they both want to assist Israel in building the train to Eliat because of the idiocy surrounding the Straights of Hormuz.

Haha, of course Putin's fine with Iran's posturing in the Straights (even when China's not), since that means he can make more money selling his own oil to Europe!

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Same with S.Arabia.  These countries don't want Iran having the bomb anymore than Israel does.  From here...

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Saudi Arabia is probably the worst country in the world, so that makes sense.

Does your family consider the House of Saud heretics and defilers of the Holy Cities? I know that's a fairly common position amongst Westernized Muslims.

I thought it was a fairly common position amongst most Muslims who are something other than very conservative Arab Sunnis.

[Cory]

I'm not an expert on warfare or anything, but it's my understanding that Israel can easily have any of its neighbours in conventional warfare, including the sort of precision bombardments needed to destroy the Irani nuclear program. The big question, then, is whether precision bombardments would be sufficient to derail a hypothetical Irani nucleat program.

Due to the Iranian defenses the idea that Israel can take out the facilities without American aid is questionable to begin with.

The weak point of the IDF, ironically, is dealing with the sort of guerilla warfare its direct opponents usually deploy. It's quite easy to kill a bunch of Palestinians whenever the occasion arises, like we've again been able to see over the past faw days, but actually 'defeating' a vaguely defined, nebulous militia like Hamas or Hezbollah is something else entirely. Case in point: the Israeli's being fought to a standstill in Lebanon in 2006.

Well, to be fair, the only reason they "couldn't" defeat Hezbollah is because they didn't engage in full-blown war with a ground offensive and just crush them entirely. Public opinion is was the only thing standing in the way of an Israeli victory. The Israeli's basically skirmished with Hezbollah in 2006.