Social Democrats-Voting postponed until more members join

[PJ]

I am founding a new party called the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism. It can also be called the Social Democrats or SDPL. The ideology will be in between the liberal and labor parties, so basically any political matrix score between -2 and -8 on economics and social, but you are still welcome to join if you are outside these margins.

In accordance with the we need more political parties amendment, the social democrats will become an official party when we have three members. When that happens, an official platform will be created.

The social democrats intend to provide an alternative to the liberals and laborites and to represent the opinions of ALL atlasians.

[PJ]

Well, I can't support this party for ideological reasons, but having more serious parties is always a good thing for Atlasia, even more when they want to provide alternatives to established parties. Best of luck!

Thanks LumineVonReuental!

[PJ]

What is this parties position on Game Reform, should it hold a position on it.

We are not going to officially create a platform until there is more members, but I'll tell you my positions on the topic:
1. I oppose the dissolution of the pacific, and any kind of invasion.
2. I support a new constitutional convention.
3. I support the elimination of unnecessary positions.

[PJ]

Hey, guys, check out the Generic Leftist Third Way Buzzword Party (GLTWBP)!

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[PJ]

Hey, guys, check out the Generic Leftist Third Way Buzzword Party (GLTWBP)!

I don't understand why you're so critical of a new party. New parties make Atlasia more competitive, and therefore more fun. You could say the same thing minus leftist for other parties.

[PJ]

Hey, guys, check out the Generic Leftist Third Way Buzzword Party (GLTWBP)!

I don't understand why you're so critical of a new party. New parties make Atlasia more competitive, and therefore more fun. You could say the same thing minus leftist for other parties.

I detest Moderate Heroes as a rule (now, I don't think you are one - your political positions make you out to be a good guy), and have grown to instinctively distrust anyone calling themselves any sort of "third way between the parties", even though in this case the parties are center-left and left.

I dont know what odd instinct is telling you to hate 3rd way parties, but its up to you if you want to listen to it. We, aka I, am open to critiques and comments about the social democrats, but please keep the satire off this thread.

[PJ]

Economics wise, the social democrats are leftists, not socialists like the labor party, but not moderates like the liberal party. Socially, it would be anyone who is libertarian or moderately libertarian.

[PJ]

I people were really serious about playing this game and the effects of the Pacific business economically speaking were to be released with the appropriate degree of realism and then taken with the right amount of seriousness. I would expect Labor would have a lot of explaining to do when it comes to damage inflicted on the poor laboring classes and working people both in the Pacific and around the world. Then this party would have a solid purpose for existing.

The words serious and game should not be in the same sentence.

But you bring up a good point when you say that we should be focused on Atlasia's economy. That will be a goal of the Social Democratic Party in the future, but in order for the party to achieve goals, we must first have members. That is the current goal of the Social Democrats.

I urge any citizen of center left and leftist ideologies to join the Social Democrats. I spoke about our current goal being the expansion of the party, but that is just in the short term. Long term goals of the Social Democrats include economic and game reform that will bring prosperity to EVERY region and EVERY citizen of Atlasia.

[PJ]

I people were really serious about playing this game and the effects of the Pacific business economically speaking were to be released with the appropriate degree of realism and then taken with the right amount of seriousness. I would expect Labor would have a lot of explaining to do when it comes to damage inflicted on the poor laboring classes and working people both in the Pacific and around the world. Then this party would have a solid purpose for existing.

The words serious and game should not be in the same sentence.

Why?

You agree to play chess, you take it seriously by actually playing chess with man instead of trying to play checkers with the chess board and pieces just to "shake things up". It doesn't mean that in your head you actually become a knight on the board.

Seriously, who came up wtih this stupid narrative? It needs to be tortured and killed before it destroys this place for good.

I was half kidding. Read the rest it, that's my serious response.

[PJ]

Wouldn't "Social Democrats" be shorter and easier to pronounce?

I said that

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Any and all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

[PJ]

I people were really serious about playing this game and the effects of the Pacific business economically speaking were to be released with the appropriate degree of realism and then taken with the right amount of seriousness. I would expect Labor would have a lot of explaining to do when it comes to damage inflicted on the poor laboring classes and working people both in the Pacific and around the world. Then this party would have a solid purpose for existing.

The words serious and game should not be in the same sentence.

Why?

You agree to play chess, you take it seriously by actually playing chess with man instead of trying to play checkers with the chess board and pieces just to "shake things up". It doesn't mean that in your head you actually become a knight on the board.

Seriously, who came up wtih this stupid narrative? It needs to be tortured and killed before it destroys this place for good.

I was half kidding. Read the rest it, that's my serious response.

I know, my goal was to seize the opportunity to express the points I made above. It won't be the last time either.

Ok, but I don't believe that people should never be serious in this game.

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Any and all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

There are some natural inconsistences, which I have highlighted.

Outsourcing can occur through two ways.
1. Company based in Delaware or Connecticut moves its OH plant to Shanghai to reduce costs.
2. Shanghai Company outcompetes DE/CT company and their OH plant closes down, not to mention the corporate HQ in DE/CT.

You make number one illegal or heavily disincentivize it and do the other other highlighted items, you are going to have a lot of number two, when taken in conjunction with the free trade and opposition to protectionism (which are valid and correct points by the way).

Thank you for taking the time to read it NCYankee. I would like to clarify that I am referring to the first kind of outsourcing you mentioned.

[PJ]

Yes, but punishing companies for the first kind will only cause number two to baloon in size, and there won't be any way to stop that without violating seven and twenty six.

I support free trade because I am opposed to protectionism. Outsourcing would be an exception to this, as it is a loophole to raising the minimum wage, and is an exception. I will post a revised platform.

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it. This is the kind of outsourcing when American companies ship jobs to other countries.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea in most cases.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Almost all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

[PJ]

I would like to officially welcome Dr Cynic to the Social Democrats!

[PJ]

Now that we have more than one member, lets have some elections.

Do u approve of the previously posted platform of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism?
[ ] Aye
[ ] Nay
[ ] Abstain

Election for representative of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism in the Caucus for an institutional Atlasia
[ ] Politics Junkie
[ ] write-in

Election for representative of the Social Democrats for Progressivism and Leftism in the Progressive Caucus.
[ ] Politics Junkie
[ ] write-in

[PJ]

Voting will last for 72 hours.

[PJ]

I agree on platform but we need caucus reps

[PJ]

We can have another election once we have more members

[PJ]

I have decided to second Dr Cynics motion, voting ends.

[PJ]

The Social Democrats would like to officially welcome FloridianOranges as the newest member of the party!

In accordance with the We Need More Political Parties Amendment, we are now a major party!  

[PJ]

Hey, guys, check out the Generic Leftist Third Way Buzzword Party (GLTWBP)!

I believe that memo has already been sent. It's not like there is no ideology between liberal and labor. We are economic leftists, not socialists or moderates, and social libertarians, not anarchists or centrists.

[PJ]

A brief platform of the Social Democrats:
1. Believe that the right to individual autonomy is important.
2. Outsourcing hurts the economy and corporations should be punished for doing it. This is the kind of outsourcing when American companies ship jobs to other countries.
3. Religious and secular charities should have the same resources.
4. As a developed country, it is Atlasia's responsibility to give foreign aid to nations with poverty issues.
5. When we discuss budget cuts, education should never be considered. Our children's future must be protected.
6. LGBT rights must be protected, including the right to marry.
7. Free trade stimulates the world economy and is a good idea in most cases.
8. Government programs help Atlasia and should never be eliminated, and only have budget cuts in massive recessions.
9. The Social Democrats are absolutely pro-choice.
10. Cultural institutions that cannot survive independently should have government funding.
11. Everyone should have access to healthcare.
12. The government should not censor media. It should however, rank levels of "vulgarity" so parents can make informed decisions about whether or not their children should see it.
13. The fairest form of taxation is when the rich are taxed more than the poor.
14. The minimum wage should be raised with inflation.
15. The best way to help drug users is to legalize, regulate, and tax marijuana, and to decriminalize other drugs.
16. Society should move more towards equality, and the accusations that equality is an excuse to disadvantage those with real merit are simply false.
17. Violating individual rights are unacceptable, even when fighting terrorism.
18. Corporations are NOT people.
19. The government should provide a safety net for all people, but not all basic needs.
20. The death penalty shoul never be an option.
21. Illegal immigrants should have a pathway to citizenship.
22. Union workers should be protected during strikes.
23. Prostitution should not be criminalized.
24. Neutral on flag burning.
25. Companies that have been proven to discriminate should be punished.
26. Protectionism is simply an excuse to prevent globalization.
27. Euthanasia should be an option for some circumstances.
28. Education, not banning soft drinks, is the answer to stopping obesity.
29. Almost all environmental regulations must made to ensure a healthy environment.
30. Prayer in public schools should not be required.
31. Three strike sentencing should not be legal.
32. Universal background checks should be required for gun sales, and semiautomatic weapons should be banned.
33. Schools should not be exempt from the national curriculum.
34. Any military cuts should come out of heavy artillery, not soldier's benefits.
35. There should be a limit on how much politicians spend on campaigns.
36. Against involvement in Syria
37. Supports five regions remaining.
38. Supports a new constitutional convention

We will now have a 72 hour debate period for this platform.

[PJ]

If all members agree beforehand, the debate period will be shortened.