New Voter Map

[12th Doctor]

Here's my proposal:



Populations:
NY et al: 21
PA et al: 21
FL et al: 23
MN et al: 22
CA et al: 22

I endorse this map.

[12th Doctor]

I'm sick snf tired of district maps that need to follow some sort of pre-concieved notion about geograpical regions.  That is why I endorse Joe Rebpublic's map.  It is more "outside of the box" that the other proposals.

[12th Doctor]

Blue East - 21
Grey - 23
Green - 23
Red - 22
Blue West - 22

My map

What is it with people who won't accept this plan or that because "the South is split up".  For one thing, the districts are suposed to be the antithesis of the regions.  They are supposed to break traditional geographic a social boundaries (as much as is possible), they are not supposed to be wed to one region or another.  All this "Southern" bullsh**t stands against everything that Atlasia is all about.  Stop acting like childish dumbasses.

P.S.  If you are going to create this "Southern Party" and act like you want your own country, well then do it.  Leave the board and go create your own place.  Just leave us the Hell alone with that sh**t.

Go and make your own board, where you can all pretend that a war that happened 140 years ago had turned out differently.

[12th Doctor]

Blue East - 21
Grey - 23
Green - 23
Red - 22
Blue West - 22

My map

What is it with people who won't accept this plan or that because "the South is split up".  For one thing, the districts are suposed to be the antithesis of the regions.  They are supposed to break traditional geographic a social boundaries (as much as is possible), they are not supposed to be wed to one region or another.  All this "Southern" bullsh**t stands against everything that Atlasia is all about.  Stop acting like childish dumbasses.

P.S.  If you are going to create this "Southern Party" and act like you want your own country, well then do it.  Leave the board and go create your own place.  Just leave us the Hell alone with that sh**t.

Go and make your own board, where you can all pretend that a war that happened 140 years ago had turned out differently.

Well now I can at least feel confident about my decision to leave the Freedom Party.

If this is more important to you than being with people you acctually find ideological agreement with, then by all means, I'm glad that you are where you find yourself to be most comfortable.

[12th Doctor]

Blue East - 21
Grey - 23
Green - 23
Red - 22
Blue West - 22

My map

What is it with people who won't accept this plan or that because "the South is split up".  For one thing, the districts are suposed to be the antithesis of the regions.  They are supposed to break traditional geographic a social boundaries (as much as is possible), they are not supposed to be wed to one region or another.  All this "Southern" bullsh**t stands against everything that Atlasia is all about.  Stop acting like childish dumbasses.

P.S.  If you are going to create this "Southern Party" and act like you want your own country, well then do it.  Leave the board and go create your own place.  Just leave us the Hell alone with that sh**t.

Go and make your own board, where you can all pretend that a war that happened 140 years ago had turned out differently.

Well now I can at least feel confident about my decision to leave the Freedom Party.

If this is more important to you than being with people you acctually find ideological agreement with, then by all means, I'm glad that you are where you find yourself to be most comfortable.

I am most certainly not comfortable in a party where prominent fellow members dimiss my beliefs as "bullsh**t."

I certainly never saw your beliefs as being bullsh**t.  Though, I fail to understand why they are less important to you than joining a group that tamps on the idea of "beliefs" in favor of a group that trumpets exclusion and limited "inclusion" as a sound footing for future endeavor.

[12th Doctor]

What is it with people who won't accept this plan or that because "the South is split up".  For one thing, the districts are suposed to be the antithesis of the regions.  They are supposed to break traditional geographic a social boundaries (as much as is possible), they are not supposed to be wed to one region or another.  All this "Southern" bullsh**t stands against everything that Atlasia is all about.  Stop acting like childish dumbasses.

P.S.  If you are going to create this "Southern Party" and act like you want your own country, well then do it.  Leave the board and go create your own place.  Just leave us the Hell alone with that sh**t.

Go and make your own board, where you can all pretend that a war that happened 140 years ago had turned out differently.

I find it heavily ironic that your signature image (made by Don, of course) includes an implied jab from the SAP to the Freedom Party, since one of its founding members was in the Freedom Party and supported you for president.  I'm not a member of the SAP (though everyone seems to think so, I even saw it on the Atlas Wiki), but you people bash it like there's no tomorrow.  So you don't like it, big deal.

Your point is true.  We included the Freedom Party to show that the SAP is not an exclusionary party.  Indeed, they hate all other types of people inclusively.

P.S.  And I will fight any idea that I think is destructive to the principles of Atlasia.

[12th Doctor]

Why does it say "Unon"?

I brought that to Don's attention.  Don explained that they can't spell.  I took that as an adequate explanation.

[12th Doctor]

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There are some places (such as the northest, which acctually has been split before) where logical nessesity requires that we block an area together.  The "South" is not such an area.

The fact that you are offended by this is more telling of how illogical your "region above nation" philosophy is, than of any bias that we might have, esspecially since several regions have been split in the past (most notably the midwest).

[12th Doctor]

What is it with people who won't accept this plan or that because "the South is split up".  For one thing, the districts are suposed to be the antithesis of the regions.  They are supposed to break traditional geographic a social boundaries (as much as is possible), they are not supposed to be wed to one region or another.  All this "Southern" bullsh**t stands against everything that Atlasia is all about.  Stop acting like childish dumbasses.

P.S.  If you are going to create this "Southern Party" and act like you want your own country, well then do it.  Leave the board and go create your own place.  Just leave us the Hell alone with that sh**t.

Go and make your own board, where you can all pretend that a war that happened 140 years ago had turned out differently.

I find it heavily ironic that your signature image (made by Don, of course) includes an implied jab from the SAP to the Freedom Party, since one of its founding members was in the Freedom Party and supported you for president.  I'm not a member of the SAP (though everyone seems to think so, I even saw it on the Atlas Wiki), but you people bash it like there's no tomorrow.  So you don't like it, big deal.

Your point is true.  We included the Freedom Party to show that the SAP is not an exclusionary party.  Indeed, they hate all other types of people inclusively.

P.S.  And I will fight any idea that I think is destructive to the principles of Atlasia.

Yeah, I really hate blacks and gays and I'm obviously a far-right-wing hack and that's why I really belong in the SAP, because I'm so facsist and close-minded and hateful...

I'm glad that you can admit as much. 

[12th Doctor]

What is it with people who won't accept this plan or that because "the South is split up".  For one thing, the districts are suposed to be the antithesis of the regions.  They are supposed to break traditional geographic a social boundaries (as much as is possible), they are not supposed to be wed to one region or another.  All this "Southern" bullsh**t stands against everything that Atlasia is all about.  Stop acting like childish dumbasses.

P.S.  If you are going to create this "Southern Party" and act like you want your own country, well then do it.  Leave the board and go create your own place.  Just leave us the Hell alone with that sh**t.

Go and make your own board, where you can all pretend that a war that happened 140 years ago had turned out differently.

I find it heavily ironic that your signature image (made by Don, of course) includes an implied jab from the SAP to the Freedom Party, since one of its founding members was in the Freedom Party and supported you for president.  I'm not a member of the SAP (though everyone seems to think so, I even saw it on the Atlas Wiki), but you people bash it like there's no tomorrow.  So you don't like it, big deal.

Your point is true.  We included the Freedom Party to show that the SAP is not an exclusionary party.  Indeed, they hate all other types of people inclusively.

P.S.  And I will fight any idea that I think is destructive to the principles of Atlasia.

With all due respect Mr. Soult, did you read anything I said at all, or are all you good for is cheap little back-and-forth mudslinging without basis like your buddy Don?  If you treat one of your few supporters, Cosmo Kramer, like this, by saying that he hates the Freedom Party and hates all other types of people inclusively, it's no wonder he's glad he left your "Freedom" Party.  You seriously need to pass a literacy test, okay pal?  If I state: "how can the SAP be anti-Freedom Party if one of its founding members was formerly in the Freedom Party?"  And you reply: "Wah wah, let me be Don's little bitch and ignore what you say, SAP hates everyone, there's sand stuck in my vagina, let me go eat some organic tofu like the little pussy I am".  Would that not qualify as dodging my post?  Yes, it would.  Get a new hobby.

I'll have you know that I asked Don to create this sign, with specific instructions to do as he did.  So, at the very least, I am no one's bitch.

By joining this organization, Preston has turned his back on the principles that the Freedom Party supports.  The Freedom Party stands firm against this kind of regional BS as it is fundamental to the Freedom Party to find policies that promote the well being of all Atlasias and do not seperate or nation by race, region, religion, etc.  If Preston does not believe in this, then he does not believe in me, and thus, should not have voted for me.


I think that putting regional or state preferences above those of national preferences is nothing short of a betrayal of ones country at heart and is a treason of thought, even if it is not specifically so on paper.  The kind of feeling that lead one to this way of thinking are fundamentally damaging to the nation and cannot be rectified with honest feelings of love for one country.

It is for this reason that I forsake this movement and must question the thoughts and feelings of those who are involved.  If my manner of doing so seems hostile, it is only because I am in such viament disagreement with this philosophy.

Should I go now and create a "Yankee Party" what would people saw?  Can we not expect a similar reaction from others when dealing with this move?  Why do we continue to surrender our principles to placate one region of the country? 

The "South" holds a weight in the affairs of this nation, which is far too disproportionate with the number of citizens which that regions holds.  This is a democratic rebublic for Christ's sake, not a confederacy.  Yet, when these facts are brought up, what happens?  They run and hide behind this idea that northern oppression is being brought down upon them.  They are always the victims.

More than 200 years ago, in the Western half of my own state, citizens rose up to fight what they saw as an "unfair" system.  They were being taxed on the creation of whiskey.  They claimed that they were being oppressed and that the United States government had brought the same tyranny that they had fought to destroy.

George Washington said differently.  He told the mobs that they had forgotten what they had been fighting for.  They had not fought against taxes.  They had fought against tyranny.  They had fought for the right to choose elected repressentatives to fight for them, so that, win or lose, they would at least have their say.  The bill had gone through congress, and it had won.  They did not win that fight.  But, they could always win the next one, or the next one after that.  That is the mentality that holds a democratic nation together. 

The "South" will lose some battles, but it will win some, as well.  Just as all people will lose a battle.  As a nation, we are held together by nothing but people's willingness to accept this.  If we corrupt our minds to rally around something like this, then we will fall apart.  Regional thinking is backwards thinking.  If you look to your region, you are looking to the past and to self-interest.  If you band around ideologies, as parties should, then you are working for a vision that looks to the future and that takes the interests of Atlasians at heart.

I see nothing good coming out of this.  And I appologize if that offends some.

[12th Doctor]

Did you read Preston's SAP convention speech?  It's a party that focuses on the Southeast.  Your party may have a wider scope, theirs does not.  But they also oppose vote tampering and silly technicalities, is this something you support?

Anyone can oppose those things and be in any of the national parties.  Indeed, most people who are in the other national parties are opposed ot those things.  It is only a small group who have conspired to embrace those tactics.

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Embracing regional rights is far different from embracing a region.  It is like the difference between wanting to offer all types of ice cream and militantly supporting chocolate.

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Once again, I am a federalist, but this argument is not about regional rights.  It is about one particular region of the country trying to create a one party state, and that party not being based on ideology, but geography.

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If I were to do so, certain people would cry foul and howl about how the "Yankees" are plotting to put down the south.  Just as I am citing the SAP as an effort to divide the country, now.

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I see your point about Keystone Phil, but this goes deeper than that.  This stems back to the seccesion crisis that was caused because southerns did not like one asspect of the federal law.  This also stems from a distrust of the "elite" who are identified as being "Northerns".

Personally, I distrust any group, or party, which chooses to define itself in terms of "not being them" rather than "being us".  Anyone who thinks that the people on teamspeak hold any real power is saddly mistaken anyway.  They are about as powerful as the kids who sit in the back of the class room for detention.

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Celebrate it, but don't form political action groups specifically around it.  As I alluded to, this party could have been formed without any notion of "southernness" being involved, but they decided not to go that way.  Why?  The problem (other than my opposition to regional parties) is not that this party "celebrates the south, but that is has the mentality of being under siege from "elities" northerners.