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« on: September 08, 2023, 05:05:30 PM »

(Moved from International general discussion.)

I couldn't find a thread for this, so apologies if one has already been created.

But I had to post this wild poll somewhere.



Would completely upend politics in the province if other polls confirmed. And to think it could be due simply to BC Liberals changing their name.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2023, 08:59:18 PM »

Genuinely hilarious if real.
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2023, 09:14:24 PM »

Death, Taxes, BC Conservatives polling well before the election is called.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2023, 09:47:58 PM »

Death, Taxes, BC Conservatives polling well before the election is called.

This is more than just "polling well" like they have in the past outside of election season. They are polling ahead of what has been the dominant right-of-center party in BC for 30 years. I think that's pretty noteworthy, especially if it's repeated in other polling.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2023, 10:01:50 PM »

Death, Taxes, BC Conservatives polling well before the election is called.

This is more than just "polling well" like they have in the past outside of election season. They are polling ahead of what has been the dominant right-of-center party in BC for 30 years. I think that's pretty noteworthy, especially if it's repeated in other polling.

I suspect the big problem is than people do not recognise BC United as the main opposition party, due to poor name recognition.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2023, 10:12:57 PM »

Death, Taxes, BC Conservatives polling well before the election is called.

This is more than just "polling well" like they have in the past outside of election season. They are polling ahead of what has been the dominant right-of-center party in BC for 30 years. I think that's pretty noteworthy, especially if it's repeated in other polling.

I suspect the big problem is than people do not recognise BC United as the main opposition party, due to poor name recognition.
Right, which is hilarious.
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2023, 10:08:02 AM »

I'm guessing they didn't say "formerly the Liberal Party" as a prompt for the BCU. All pollsters should be doing this until the next election.
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2023, 10:12:28 AM »

Is the NDP genuinely thirteen points down/at all struggling? It seems like they've been doing well in by-elections and they're obviously favored to win at the outset given their opponents' disunity, but if they're really only at 35% it seems like the opportunity to beat them must at least exist.
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2023, 10:56:21 AM »

I'm sure there was confusion with the Federal Conservatives as well.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2023, 03:38:38 PM »

It also bears mentioning that this pollster apparently does not necessarily have the best reputation
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2023, 03:43:12 PM »

It also bears mentioning that this pollster apparently does not necessarily have the best reputation

Lets see what comes from others, this feels like an outlier so far.
Also it looks like mainstreet hasn't polled BC since the last election? The last poll from July had the NDP at 44% and the CONS at 16% so...
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2023, 05:36:51 PM »

It also bears mentioning that this pollster apparently does not necessarily have the best reputation

Lets see what comes from others, this feels like an outlier so far.
Also it looks like mainstreet hasn't polled BC since the last election? The last poll from July had the NDP at 44% and the CONS at 16% so...

Mainstreet does not have a great reputation, but if you check the underlying numbers in several of the other previous polls, in regards to the approval ratings of the NDP on most issues, this poll is actually more consistent than the other polls that show much greater support for the NDP.

It's definitely still a big jump in the polls for the B.C Conservative Party.
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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2023, 11:40:26 AM »



Well they now have a seat.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2023, 11:59:07 AM »



Well they now have a seat.
They actually already did since John Rustad joined.
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2023, 12:28:39 PM »



Well they now have a seat.
They actually already did since John Rustad joined.

Yes, this makes them an official party in the BC legislature.

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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2023, 01:07:48 PM »

Will the floodgates open now? Maybe we'll need to wait for some more polls.
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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2023, 02:56:04 PM »

Maybe if the top priority is really to defeat the NDP the BC United and the BC Conservative parties should merge and call themselves the BC Liberal party :-)
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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2023, 06:10:46 PM »

Abbotsford South are having fun with defectors. His predecessor, Darryl Plecas, was expelled from the Liberals for accepting to become the Speaker in 2017 and had become an MLA in 2013 beating the incumbent John van Dongen (elected as Liberal, defected to Conservatives and then had a failling out with them, becoming an Independent)
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2023, 01:06:37 PM »

Bruce Banman is an absolutely horrible person.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/manure-dump-at-homeless-camp-embarrasses-b-c-mayor-1.1313965
Manure dump at homeless camp embarrasses B.C. mayor
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2023, 03:09:43 PM »

Research Co Poll continues to show a lack of knowledge among British Columbians for who B.C United are.

NDP: 48%
B.C United: 20%
Conservative: 19%
Greens 12%

https://researchco.ca/2023/09/26/bcpoli-sept2023/
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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2023, 06:23:14 PM »

Research Co Poll continues to show a lack of knowledge among British Columbians for who B.C United are.

NDP: 48%
B.C United: 20%
Conservative: 19%
Greens 12%

https://researchco.ca/2023/09/26/bcpoli-sept2023/


I'm beginning to feel like unless we have a polling question specifically asking people if they know the BCU used to be the Liberals, we can't say with certainty how ignorant people are.

It's a little out there to think that half of the Liberals' voter base suddenly forgot the party they like wasn't called the Conservatives.
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2023, 09:03:11 PM »


It's a little out there to think that half of the Liberals' voter base suddenly forgot the party they like wasn't called the Conservatives.

Or maybe a good many--particularly outside of the immediacy of Greater Vancouver--*have* figured that the party they *want* to like *is* called the BC Conservatives.
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2023, 07:36:24 AM »


It's a little out there to think that half of the Liberals' voter base suddenly forgot the party they like wasn't called the Conservatives.

Or maybe a good many--particularly outside of the immediacy of Greater Vancouver--*have* figured that the party they *want* to like *is* called the BC Conservatives.

Funny the "old" BCLiberals were only the big tent centre-right-anti-NDP option for about 30 years since I think the 1996 election. Before that it was the SoCreds. Centre-right voters usually get their act together and rally behind one party to defeat them all (aka the NDP). The BCU has a real problem right now as they are failing to do that, and we have a fight for the hearts of those voters both BCU and Conservatives polling about 20%. It would be interesting to see if this is indeed an urban/rural split amongst the Centre-Right. That at least wouldn't be too disastrous as the CONS could win the rural and BCU win the more suburban lower mainland. BUT if the vote is fairly spread even across the province, this could lead to an even larger NDP government next time.
As it looks now though, the Conservatives (or maybe the BCU) are playing the roll of the Greens with the NDP; a party that is likely to win a couple seats but will also play spoiler in others they should be winning.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2023, 08:48:55 AM »

Regardless of the BC United vs BC Conservatives split - the elephant in the room is the fact that the NDP is at 48% which is extraordinarily high for a second term government. Its like the BC NDP is the new "natural party of government" in BC.
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« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2023, 10:58:17 AM »
« Edited: October 05, 2023, 12:19:12 PM by lilTommy »

BC will have 93 ridings the next election, up from 87.
https://bcebc.ca/2022-final-electoral-division-names-populations-and-deviations/?step=map-all

Some notable changes I saw:

Vernon-Monashee, which was a very close NDP win (36%/35%) is redistributed away into three other ridings. Kootenay-Monashee picks up the eastern half and would still be a strong NDP seat. Kelowna-Lake Country-Coldstream takes in some of the southwest and is still a strong BCU seat. Interestingly the new Vernon-Lumby would remain NDP by a small but slightly larger amount (37%NDP 34% BCL/BCU).
We now have two fully urban seats that cover Kamloops and Kelowna; Kamloops Centre, which is fully urban and Kamloops-North Thompson, which is mostly rural-suburban, replace the old North and south seats which were “rurban” seats. The NDP comes very close to winning Kamloops Centre but not close enough, would still remain BCU.
Kelowna Centre is formed from three seats; the core portion of the city on the east side of Okanagan Lake is removed from Kelowna West which is now West Kelowna-Peachland (since it gains Peachland from Penticton). The southwest corner of Kelowna-Lake Country is moved into KC, making the new Kelowna-Lake Country-Coldstream more rural. Kelowna-Mission losses only a small part of its north west. Still BCU country out here
the new Fraser-Nicola, loses territory in the north to Cariboo-Chilcotin (Ashcroft, Cashe Creek, Green Timber Plateau area) , but extends west on the south side of the riding taking in areas from Chilliwack-Kent and Abbotsford-Mission. This actually would turn the seat NDP based on 2020 results (using ridingbuilder as best as I can, i got about 41% NDP, 37% BCL/BCU)

In Vancouver, Van-False Creek is redistributed out into three ridings as well; the new Van-Yaletown now is home to most of the centre-right vote and would be a BCL/BCU seat by about 46% to 39%.
Van-South Granville would be even stronger for the NDP (57%) taking in the southwest part of old Van-False Creek, northern Van-Fairview and a sliver of eastern Van-Point Grey
Van-Little Mountain is made up of areas of 5 ridings, mostly from Van-Fairview (east, south parts) and northern Van-Langara. This would remain NDP (51%)
Vancouver-Langara loses most everything north of 49th but gains some east of Fraser, taking from Van-Fraserview. This makes it safer for BCU by bumping up to about 46%.

The Burnaby-Coquitlam corridor had 9, now has 10 seats, same with Surrey where we also increase from 9-10 seats.
In Surrey, the biggest change would be Surrey-Cloverdale is split basically in half; the western side of HW15 becomes Surrey-Serpentine River, and the east keeps the name Surrey-Cloverdale. Both seats would be NDP.  Surrey-Whalley and Surrey-Green Timbers are redistributed into an east/west alignment (Surrey North and Surrey City Centre now) vs the north/south one currently. Both remain strong NDP seats.
Abbostford/Mission will have 6 seats vs 5; the new Langley-Abbostford in unsurprisingly a BCU seat (about 43%) While the shrunken down Langley-Walnut Grove (formerly Langley East) and Langley-Willowbrook (formerly Langley) have an increase in support for the NDP.

On Vancouver Island, Cowichan Valley shifts considerably north into Nanaimo, losing from Shawnigan Lake south to Malahat area to Juan de fuca-Malahat. Bad news for the Greens who would lose this to the NDP who would have won 45% vs 39 for the Greens.
Juan de fuca-Malahat also gains Metchosin while losing Langford and Highlands. This has a sizeable impact to the NDP, decreasing their vote to, based on 2020, to 52% down from 67% (Horgans seat, the NDP held the seat in the by-election but with only 53%). With most of the Green vote from Cowichan Valley now in Juan de fuca-Malahat, this is going to be one to watch as it could be seen as a Green or NDP seat.
The new Langford-Highlands is a strong NDP seat, again caveat that this used to be Horgans seat so the NDPs numbers are probably inflated.
Nanaimo is split into two seats; the northern portion is now Nanaimo-Lantzville, pulling Lantzville in from Parksville-Qualicum. The southern part is added with Cedar, Harmac and Gabriola island to create Nanaimo-Gabriola. Both are NDP seats. Parksville-Qualicum is eliminated and mostly replaced by Ladysmith-Oceanside, the riding now surrounds the city of Nanaimo from north to south. Would be NDP too.
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