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« on: May 03, 2024, 07:01:15 PM »



https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49311-opinion-on-pro-palestinian-college-campus-protests

Also for all those who claimed Jews supported the protests , turns out more Jews disapprove of the protests than republicans do .

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« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2024, 07:09:37 PM »

Atheists backing Palestine. Interesting.
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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2024, 07:15:34 PM »

Atheists backing Palestine. Interesting.

Atheism is a proxy for youth
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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2024, 07:56:59 PM »

18% of Jews need to take a good hard look at themselves.
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« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2024, 08:08:21 PM »

Shout out to those 18% of Jews

Y'all are real ones fr
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2024, 08:17:43 PM »

18% of Jews need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Regardless of how you feel on the issue, policing Jews on their opinions isn't really your place. And I say that as someone who is mostly in the red camp on the graph.
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2024, 08:26:08 PM »

Not surprising. Should be a larger margin though.
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2024, 08:35:10 PM »


FYI, this sounds like a white Republican cheering on Candace Owens as his home girl.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2024, 08:36:46 PM »

https://www.crmvet.org/docs/60s_crm_public-opinion.pdf
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2024, 08:41:47 PM »


The 1960s version of Computer89 would have opposed this too.
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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2024, 08:45:02 PM »


On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.
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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2024, 08:50:41 PM »

Cool, I guess now we’re saying people aren’t from a religion based on their ideological opinions on one issue.

Also, how does 18% of anything bother some people that much? Honestly, needing a consensus on anything for validation borders cultism.

Notice how 14% of Muslims also happen to be against.
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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2024, 09:46:51 PM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.
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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2024, 09:49:20 PM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.

Since you liked his post saying that the 18% of Jews are real ones, can we assume you're Jewish? I missed if this has been discussed before.
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2024, 09:51:25 PM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.

Since you liked his post saying that the 18% of Jews are real ones, can we assume you're Jewish? I missed if this has been discussed before.

Not what he meant.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2024, 09:58:54 PM »

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.
Since you liked his post saying that the 18% of Jews are real ones, can we assume you're Jewish? I missed if this has been discussed before.

I'm not jewish but have been mistaken for being jewish before. To be clear, "real ones" is young millennial / zoomer slang and not meant to be taken literally.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2024, 10:32:42 PM »

No real surprise there.

Protests tend to backfire these days, no matter how just the cause is.
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2024, 10:34:39 PM »


On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

Satmars are odd - most of them definitely aren't pro-Palestinian, they're just opposed to a secular state of Israel. Then there's Neturei Karta, which is a totally different breed and more akin to the Westboro Baptist Church than anything.
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2024, 10:55:42 PM »

Someone on Discord posted a description of the current state of polling as saying that the median American position is "Give the protesters most of what they want, but also have the police crack the protesters' skulls open. Also have the police crack the counterprotesters' skulls open."

This summary seems largely accurate?
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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2024, 11:06:18 PM »

Someone on Discord posted a description of the current state of polling as saying that the median American position is "Give the protesters most of what they want, but also have the police crack the protesters' skulls open. Also have the police crack the counterprotesters' skulls open."

This summary seems largely accurate?

Broadly speaking, I think the entire conflict just makes most people very sad and they don’t like thinking about it.
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« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2024, 12:14:50 AM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.

To the Zionists, anyone that dares to criticize the state of Israel. Israel is off-limits in American political discourse, as you'd be label an antisemite by the people backing the genocide in Gaza. Even when the person in question doing the criticism is Jewish.
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« Reply #21 on: May 04, 2024, 12:21:53 AM »

Atheists backing Palestine. Interesting.

Socialists/left wingers are largely atheist. It would make sense the majority of self identified atheists support the Palestine cause.
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« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2024, 12:24:54 AM »
« Edited: May 04, 2024, 12:28:13 AM by Horus »

Very encouraging generational split here. The arc of the moral universe is long etc. etc.

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« Reply #23 on: May 04, 2024, 06:58:03 AM »

On the contrary, I've been thinking that a lot of these pro-Palestine "Jews" are not actually Jewish.  I am assuming that the responders to these polls self-identify.  Then, I have found that a lot of people with Jewish "ancestry" consider themselves Jewish, even if they have never participated in a Jewish ceremony, and have no Jewish education whatsoever.  I have also found that a lot of people who claim that they are Jewish actually have a (usually non-observant) Jewish father but a non-Jewish mother, which makes them non-Jewish (unless they are actively practicing Reform Judaism; even then, most non-Reform Jews would still not consider them Jewish).  Or even just a Jewish paternal grandfather, because their last name is Jewish.  I have found that a lot of such people, because of a lack of Jewish - or any religious education - oppose Israel, because reasons.

Then there are the several thousand Satmar Chassids in the USA, who are an entirely different matter.

So who gets to decide which jewish people aren't "real" jews? Just curious.

To the Zionists, anyone that dares to criticize the state of Israel. Israel is off-limits in American political discourse, as you'd be label an antisemite by the people backing the genocide in Gaza. Even when the person in question doing the criticism is Jewish.


There’s no genocide in Gaza. It’s an ugly and regrettable urban war.
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2024, 07:31:19 AM »

I expected it to be a lot more lopsided tbh.
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