Argentinian congressional elections

[ag]

Results are coming out. Of course, everybody is interested in just one: Buenos Aires Province, where a certain Nestor Kirchner is running for Congress. So, here it is: w/ 47% of the votes counted (that's over 3 mln votes), so far it is:

Francisco De Narvaez (Union PRO) 34.81%
Nestor Kirchner (FPV) 32.02%
Margarita Stolbizer (ACS) 21.20%
Martin Sabatella (NE) 5.95%

the difference of 97 thousand votes, which, by now, starts looking insuperable.

[Edu]

Yep, the Kirchners lost heavily in the most populated provinces which are Buenos Aires, Cordoba, Santa Fe, Mendoza and the City of Buenos Aires.
In Santa Fe and the city of Buenos Aires it was a huge defeat with the Kirchner candidates receiving support from 8% to 12% a negligible amount.

They did well in the north of the country winning most provinces, but with much smaller margins than before.
The south of the country is more equally divided but they got some victories there too. But the surprise was that they lost in the Santa Cruz province, their "homestate"

Anyway, the City of Buenos Aires and the provinces of Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Mendoza and Cordoba have around 25,500,000 people, they represent more than 50% of the countries population, so the other 19 provinces don't matter as much as these

[Jacobtm]

Of course, everybody is interested in just one

With the list system, Kirchner was bound to be elected regardless. What people ought to be interested in is if majorities switch in either or both houses of congress.

[ag]

Of course, everybody is interested in just one

With the list system, Kirchner was bound to be elected regardless. What people ought to be interested in is if majorities switch in either or both houses of congress.

Yes, of course. But they treated this one as a referendum. Do you think NK really cares about his seat in Congress?

[Jacobtm]

I get what you're saying, but I'm just stressing that the real referendum is the vote as a whole, not whether "NK" loses 31-36.

[Tender Branson]

85% of the vote in Buenos Aires Province is in:

Francisco De Narváez (UP): 2.201.770 votes (34.56%)
Néstor Kirchner (FPV): 2.046.831 votes (32.13%)
Margarita Stolbizer (ACS): 1.364.746 votes (21.42%)
Martín Sabbatella (NE): 360.050 votes (5.65%)

[ag]

So, according to the preliminary results, Kirchneristas have suffered some serious losses. For the House it is as follows (Since only half the House was up for reelection, I will do this as follows: previous number of seats - those up for re-elections + those won this time=total (net change) )

Kirchneristas 116-60+42=98 (-18)
Kirchnerista allies 21-9+5=17 (-4)
Acuerdo Civica 61-26+41=76 (+15)
Union PRO 14-8+19=25 (+11)
Dissident Justicialists 16-11+12=17 (+1)
Others 29-13+8=24 (-5)

Neither the Kirchners, nor the major opposition blocks will control an outright majority, but AC+U-PRO+dissidents are, actually, slightly ahead of Kirchneristas w/ allies.

[ag]

Provisional results by province (up to 5% of the vote per alliance - not that it is the official threshold - it's d'Hondt - but there are tonnes of smaller parties)

City of Buenos Aires (13 seats up for election)

PRO Propuesta Republicana 31.09%
Proyecto Sur 24.21%
ACS 19.06%
EPP/FPV (Kirchneristas?) 11.62%

Buenos Aires Province (35 seats)

Union PRO 34.51%
FJPV (Kirchner) 32.16%
ACS 21.43%
Nuevo Encuentro 5.61%

Catamarca (3 seats)

ACS 38.86%
FPV (Kirchneristas) 33.37%
Mov. Accion Popular 17.84%
Obrero 5.09%

[ag]

Kirchner recognized the defeat in BA

[ag]

Kirchneristas loose 4 seats in the Senate - and the outright majority.

[Jacobtm]

Kirchner steps down as head of his party.


AG, where did you get such detailed information throughout the night? Do you read Argentine papers or were there English-language sources this informative?

[minionofmidas]

Kirchner steps down as head of his party.


AG, where did you get such detailed information throughout the night? Do you read Argentine papers or were there English-language sources this informative?

English is not ag's mother tongue, and he lives in a Spanish-speaking country. Why would he have to rely on English news sources?

[Jacobtm]

I didn't know that about ag.

¿En cual país vives tú ag, y a donde ganaste estos datos? Yo no conozco ningún periódico o revista de Argentina, y los que usualmente leo, BBC Mundo, El País, y Semana (de Colombia) no tenían información tan útil como tenía ud.

[minionofmidas]

¿En cual país vive ud. ag?

México.

[Jacobtm]

¿En cual país vive ud. ag?

México.

Me disculpe, pero hasta ahora no he realizado que la bandera abajo de su nombre es de Bolivia. ¿Cuantos hispanohablantes más hay en este foro?

[ag]

I didn't know that about ag.

¿En cual país vives tú ag, y a donde ganaste estos datos? Yo no conozco ningún periódico o revista de Argentina, y los que usualmente leo, BBC Mundo, El País, y Semana (de Colombia) no tenían información tan útil como tenía ud.

El Clarín, por ejemplo:

http://www.clarin.com

Yep, I live in Mexico Though, Spanish is my third language

[Platypus]

Clarin is for the Peronist hacks though. La Prensa is a bit more equal, although perhaps slightly biased towards the non-peronista right, I think.

http://www.laprensa.com.ar/

[ag]

"populares?"  Ya te avise de mi espanol.

Yes, you need the agreement, so since these are Kirchners, it is "populares". And I'd say "no me parezca".

But I am not sure my Spanish is that much better than yours: I came here quite old and never did any hiking    I am that rare Mexican (I am naturalized), who prefers English (my second language) to Spanish (my third). Still, I do not, indeed, need anglophone sources to figure out what's happening in Argentina ))

[minionofmidas]

Me disculpe, pero hasta ahora no he realizado que la bandera abajo de su nombre es de Bolivia. ¿Cuantos hispanohablantes más hay en este foro?

Bolivian flag? Where? Can't see it. Mine's Ghanaian and a joke - I just like the black star.

[Хahar 🤔]

¿En cual país vive ud. ag?

México.

Me disculpe, pero hasta ahora no he realizado que la bandera abajo de su nombre es de Bolivia. ¿Cuantos hispanohablantes más hay en este foro?

Él usa muchas banderas.

[Jacobtm]

Me disculpe, pero hasta ahora no he realizado que la bandera abajo de su nombre es de Bolivia. ¿Cuantos hispanohablantes más hay en este foro?

Bolivian flag? Where? Can't see it. Mine's Ghanaian and a joke - I just like the black star.

The small picture looked like this one:

[minionofmidas]

Me disculpe, pero hasta ahora no he realizado que la bandera abajo de su nombre es de Bolivia. ¿Cuantos hispanohablantes más hay en este foro?

Bolivian flag? Where? Can't see it. Mine's Ghanaian and a joke - I just like the black star.

The small picture looked like this one:

Yeah, I figured.

Just checked, and the forum's Bolivian miniflag doesn't feature the coat of arms at all.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Just checked, and the forum's Bolivian miniflag doesn't feature the coat of arms at all.

The coat of arms is on Boliva's state flag, bit not it's civil flag.  Since it's fairly reasonable to assume no one here is posting under government authority, the civil flag is the appropriate one, and is the choice the Forum makes for other countries as well for those countries that have a difference, even in the case of countries such as Columbia and Ecuador where the civil flags are essentially indistinguishable.