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« on: June 20, 2015, 11:47:40 PM »

What if they were to just replace the flag in S.C. with this?



I mean, unlike the battle flag in question, this ACTUALLY is an official Confederate Flag. The battle flag has become the de facto redneck durkerdoo flag as well as the de facto KKK flag. That is the flag that has cultural connotations and purportedly hurts feelings because it is recognizable. But almost all of the arguments to ban it because "erhmagad treason!" should actually be focused on those flags which represented the government. In contrast to the recognizable battle flag, I strongly doubt that most people would be offended by this merely by seeing it. It looks an awful lot like the Texas flag after all.

Or if its bad because blah blah racist ... how about if only some States are allowed to fly it at civil war memorials? During the initial secession crisis Virginia voted not to secede. The Virginia government said, don't march troops through our State or we WILL secede. Lincoln disagreed with that proposition. Virginia then voted a second time and this time voted to secede. Doesn't sound so black and white (terrible pun I know) to me. I mean seriously, condensing a war down to "blah blah white supremacy" is pretty intellectually dishonest considering most white NORTHERNERS were also white supremacists. It's like saying WWI was solely about some Serb killing some Austrian.

Cue name-calling and race-baiting in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

Wouldn't it be a lot easier for everyone just to get rid of Confederate flags on official government buildings?

It isn't quite on a building.

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 11:57:18 PM »

Me: "Hey, maybe we should recognize that history isn't just a bumper sticker slogan."
Socialist from Georgia: "Racist! Erhmagad! RACIST!"

What a compelling argument.

The far-left is so predictable.

The same can be said about you reactionaries, who rush to wrap yourselves in a flag that you know damn good and well has no purpose existing in this country outside of a museum. "Heritage not hate", "it's about history" - bullsh**t.

People who love history and want to publicly display it for sentimental reasons have literally centuries of history from which to sample, but why is that so many Southerners and conservatives want to latch onto a relatively insignificant 4-year life-span of a defunct country that didn't win, didn't fight for a noble cause and didn't contribute an iota of positive significance to America as we know it? Hell, its brief existence is still creating negative effects for the country as a whole. It's not about history for you: it's about nostalgia and a longing for a by-gone era that embodied the warped values that still live in your hearts.

Why not embrace the Revolutionary War? The War of 1812? The Mexican-American War? World War I? World War II? Among the civilian masses in the South, the only war and the only flag that have a cult following is the one from the war that was the most noble in nature - but for the side that was empirically disgusting.

Is a war in which maybe half of a million died in a region of 12 million and led to massive social upheaval comparable to anything else in American history in its impact upon a people other than slavery itself and Indian removal?   
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