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« on: July 02, 2016, 11:00:11 AM »

The answer is basically yes. The reason being is that not only are cultural traditions that are not self-selected been on the decline for a long time, but most Millennials already don't care about them in the slightest. So imagine when Millennials become the dominant generation. The next generation will mostly be people who grow up with only a passing familiarity to their "culture" and will probably think what sports teams people support is a bigger impact on their culture than their ethnic heritage, and the idea of ingrained culture will become a very antiquated old-fashioned notion.

And then people's cultural identity will become COMPLETELY self-selected, and everyone will be broken of the chains of culture and have complete freedom to choose their own identity, and it'll be a truly wonderful thing.
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 12:04:01 PM »
« Edited: July 02, 2016, 12:09:08 PM by L'exquisite Douleur »

lol at the idea that millenials don't care about their culture or heritage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(contemporary_subculture)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders_presidential_campaign,_2016
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 12:15:06 PM »

I finally finished the last season of Girls (which is basically the most Millennial show ever) and I can not imagine any character on that show caring the slightest about their ethnic heritage and traditions. They're the very epitome of "rootless cosmopolitan".
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« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 03:46:13 PM »


His supporters were almost exclusively completely assimilated, detached from their heritage and ancestries, white people.
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« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 04:44:02 PM »

First I thought BRTD was talking about the collapse of White "ethnic" culture into a general or regional (White) American identity, and I was like "okay that's a interesting discussion", then I found out he was talking about a general collapse of a collective American cultural identity and tradition, and my opinion changed to "that's the stupidest thing I have heard this month".

No BRTD the collective culture is not becoming annihilated, in fact the creation of mass media and standardised education have resulted in it becoming less heterogene. A author archetypes can through mass education become universal among a population, while mass media have allowed the spread of things like Black Friday or St. Patricks day.

That's kind of point. Mass media means people are no longer locked into a culture they are born into. They're free to select and associate with aspects of others they want to and simply choose whatever they like best. Your heritage becomes a non-factor.
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2016, 04:47:20 PM »

Also what is being referred to is largely what "cultural appropriation" is but as I've pointed out before no one but the biggest dumbsh!ts on the Internet including 4channers has a problem with that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2016, 05:57:46 PM »

Also, let me take this occasion to finally point out that "exquisite" is not a word in French. No idea if BRTD is referencing something, but that still annoys me.

https://youtu.be/3CkqhWIrMYM
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2016, 10:41:35 PM »

First I thought BRTD was talking about the collapse of White "ethnic" culture into a general or regional (White) American identity, and I was like "okay that's a interesting discussion", then I found out he was talking about a general collapse of a collective American cultural identity and tradition, and my opinion changed to "that's the stupidest thing I have heard this month".

No BRTD the collective culture is not becoming annihilated, in fact the creation of mass media and standardised education have resulted in it becoming less heterogene. A author archetypes can through mass education become universal among a population, while mass media have allowed the spread of things like Black Friday or St. Patricks day.

That's kind of point. Mass media means people are no longer locked into a culture they are born into. They're free to select and associate with aspects of others they want to and simply choose whatever they like best. Your heritage becomes a non-factor.

I think a major problem here is that you may be the least cosmopolitan person on this board (no insult)

I live in a majority non-white neighborhood.

you doesn't seem to get what makes up culture, likely because you belong to the cultural dominant culture not just in USA but also in the world.

Actually if certain posters are to be believed, that is not true. As I've said before, I have some Catholic ancestry, and if being Catholic is just like being a race as many on Atlas believe, that makes me 1/4 Catholic, and we all know that Catholic culture is completely different and distinct from the rest of mainstream culture, so I clearly have some connection to an out of the mainstream culture.

But in all seriousness, yeah that statement is obviously true.

As such you have a very superficial understanding of what makes up culture. As example when I meet a Arab I don't look him into his eyes or show him the soles of my feet, not unless I want to insult him, when I meet a Dane I don't know at a bus stop, I don't talk to him no matter how long we wait side by side, unless I have a impersonal question to him ("have that or that bus arrived", do you know what bus I have to shift to and where to get to some specific place" etc), or to complain over the weather (the social acceptable smalltalk). When I go into the bus I don't sit down beside a person if there's still empty seats, where I can avoid sitting down next to a person, I don't talk in the bus and try my best to ignore everyone around me, unless of course I meet someone I know, this is seen as the proper behaviour. If I for example was a Turk I would sit down next to a person, and it would be impolite not to make small talk.

Actually I never knew any of that.

But truth is, the way you described what Danes do at bus stops is exactly what everyone does here. And as you probably know Minneapolis does actually have many immigrants and refugees, and you're more likely to see them on a bus than mainstream white American-born Minnesotans.

All that is make up real culture, running around playing Ingress, listening to specific kind of music or go into a specific a specific chuch are not usual part of a culture, that's part of a subculture. 

Yes. But that's sort of my point. People are abandoning their culture for subculture.

For example that video I linked above to show Tony where my name came from, the vocalist of that band has a very Italian last name, yet I've been told he goes to a hipster church in San Diego, he's very much showing hardcore fashion, I've seen him do interviews that use all sorts of terms and phrases that only people very much into the scene would understand, and yet nothing about distinct Italian-American stuff at all. He's just a very scene guy with an Italian name.

So does simply being an Italian-American make him more culturally similar to Keystone Phil than me? Of course not.

Hell I'd go so far as to way that I have more in common culturally with the people in the scene in South Africa than I do with other pasty whitebread white people in the Midwest who have never heard of the scene...
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2016, 11:00:50 PM »

Hell I'd go so far as to way that I have more in common culturally with the people in the scene in South Africa than I do with other pasty whitebread white people in the Midwest who have never heard of the scene...

If you had really understood ingemann's post, even you would be hesitant to claim this.

Well I'll admit that might be a bit far fetched, but saying that the vocalist of Being as an Ocean has more in common culturally with me than Keystone Phil certainly isn't.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2016, 12:21:13 PM »

Girls is awesome. Like almost as good as Family Guy.
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BRTD
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E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2016, 07:54:52 PM »

Hell I'd go so far as to way that I have more in common culturally with the people in the scene in South Africa than I do with other pasty whitebread white people in the Midwest who have never heard of the scene...

If you had really understood ingemann's post, even you would be hesitant to claim this.

Well I'll admit that might be a bit far fetched, but saying that the vocalist of Being as an Ocean has more in common culturally with me than Keystone Phil certainly isn't.

When I deal with a fellow Dane, we get the same cultural clues, which foreigner often don't. Let me come with a example, I read a foreign (American) article about Denmark, in this he saw the fact that so many used bicycles in Copenhagen as a sign of poverty. A Dane would see a entire different signals, here's the fact you use it on the way to work a sign of status. You show you have control over your life by using more time in the morning to go to work, you show you're environmental and that you' focus on your health. Everything people does are cultural symbols and clues, a wheat bread is a sign of a unhealthy diet, rue bread is a sign of healthy diet, to such a degree that giving you children wheat bread in their pack lunch makes the other parents look down on you.

In the same way you and Keystone Phil would get many of the same cultural clues, which the vocalist or I wouldn't necessary get.

Cultural are the overarching element of a society, a subculture is something which exist below it, which can't replace it, because it lacks the universality of a culture.

But the guy in the band I'm talking about is also an American, as said he lives in San Diego. So yes he would get the same cultural clues as me and Phil. My point is that being an Italian-American puts him in a different culture than me, supposedly, but he clearly has more in common with me than Phil, due to the shared subculture.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,326
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2016, 12:36:48 AM »


His supporters were almost exclusively completely assimilated, detached from their heritage and ancestries, white people.

Not sure this applies to the conservadems who gave him victories in states like Oklahoma and West Virginia...

You mean the people who just answer "American" as their ethnic background on the Census?
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