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« Reply #75 on: September 11, 2014, 12:02:54 PM »

But If the Governor not retire his amendment, I can't open a vote on my amendment.
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« Reply #76 on: September 11, 2014, 01:00:24 PM »

I'll withdrawal my amendment, but I would prefer to see Part 2, Clause 1 struck out for previous reasons mentioned.
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« Reply #77 on: September 11, 2014, 01:06:35 PM »

I hereby call a 48-hour vote on my amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain

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« Reply #78 on: September 11, 2014, 11:13:16 PM »

Aye, but expect an amendment, at least for 1-3
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« Reply #79 on: September 13, 2014, 01:47:42 PM »

With 1 Aye and 2 Representatives that haven't voted (Sad) the amendment has passed!.

This is the current text.

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« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2014, 06:25:27 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: September 14, 2014, 08:12:24 PM »

Below is my amendment to Part 1 of the Bill, the rest of the bill is unchanged by my amendment.

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« Reply #82 on: September 14, 2014, 08:41:26 PM »

Below is my amendment to Part 1 of the Bill, the rest of the bill is unchanged by my amendment.

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I can dig that.
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« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2014, 07:33:29 AM »

I open a 48-hour vote on the GAworth's amendment to Part 1 of the bill. The rest of the bill is unchanged.

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Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
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« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2014, 07:37:46 AM »

Aye
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« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2014, 02:28:08 PM »

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« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2014, 05:37:14 PM »

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« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2014, 11:16:01 AM »

The amendment has passed, with 2 Ayes and 1 Nay.

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Are we ready for a final vote or anyone desire to present an amendment?
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« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2014, 03:59:14 PM »

Since nobody seems bright enough to get it here: where on earth are the $2.26 billion for your various vaguely defined silly pet projects going to come from? Thin air? The Zimbabwe Central Bank? Assuming it comes from somewhere, who will monitor the use of the money afterward?
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« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2014, 05:43:52 PM »

Since nobody seems bright enough to get it here: where on earth are the $2.26 billion for your various vaguely defined silly pet projects going to come from? Thin air? The Zimbabwe Central Bank? Assuming it comes from somewhere, who will monitor the use of the money afterward?
It's coming from the last budget surplus where we should be fine as long as our bills for this budget reduce spending while still distributing the regional funds that are necessary too make sure this region stays stable. Helping our struggling schools and students is just one of those many examples.

I'm fine with almost every part of this bill, but I can't sign it unless Part II, Clause 1 is revised.


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« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2014, 11:33:40 AM »

I don't agree with the Governor for two reasons.

1) In the text, legal immigrants have the same rights as Midwesterns, except only the right to vote in the election and the right to be eligible for a period of only 2 years.
If you desire to abolish the part "Except the right to vote in federal elections and the right to be eligible for local and regional offices", you need also abolish Points 2 and 3 of Part 2, because if you want the same complete rights, you can't leave Points 2 and 3, because these points are a negation of the abolishment of "Except the right to vote in federal elections and the right to be eligible for local and regional offices".

2) I think that legal immigrants should wait 2 years to vote and to be eligible.

So, I'm against the Governor's amendment.
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« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2014, 02:18:06 PM »

I tend to agree with Cris on this one, but I would like to hear what the Governor and other members have to say.
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« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2014, 09:28:21 PM »

I don't agree with the Governor for two reasons.

1) In the text, legal immigrants have the same rights as Midwesterns, except only the right to vote in the election and the right to be eligible for a period of only 2 years.
If you desire to abolish the part "Except the right to vote in federal elections and the right to be eligible for local and regional offices", you need also abolish Points 2 and 3 of Part 2, because if you want the same complete rights, you can't leave Points 2 and 3, because these points are a negation of the abolishment of "Except the right to vote in federal elections and the right to be eligible for local and regional offices".

2) I think that legal immigrants should wait 2 years to vote and to be eligible.

So, I'm against the Governor's amendment.
Well, I have absolutely no problem with ensuring legal immigrants have the right to vote and run for offices down the road (with the proper regulations, in order of course), but the reason I request that struck phrase be out of the bill is b/c it's contradictory to Points 2 and 3. Part II, Clause 1 of that phrase disenfranchises legal immigrants and forbids them from running for office. Just from how the word "except" is legally defined in the English dictionary, it restricts legal immigrants rights.

In summary, Part II Clause 2 and 3 give the rights of legal immigrants to vote and run for office; Part II Clause 1 restricts that right. That's why I struck out the phrase that I feel is necessary to balance Part II accordingly.

I think we share the same intent on what needs to be done here; just the language used in Clause II Part 1 is very concerning and could face a legal battle.
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« Reply #93 on: September 20, 2014, 11:04:26 AM »

Representative, what do you think?
I have intention to open a 48-hour vote on the Adam's amendment today.
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« Reply #94 on: September 20, 2014, 01:31:19 PM »

In effect, thinking better, Adam's amendment is right.

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I open a 48-hour vote on the Governor's amendment. Please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

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« Reply #95 on: September 21, 2014, 11:07:12 PM »

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« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2014, 10:52:44 AM »

Nay
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« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2014, 02:05:03 PM »

We have a tie, but in this case the Archduke is the tie-breaker.
So, the amendment has passed.

Representatives, are you ready for a final vote?
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« Reply #98 on: September 22, 2014, 02:48:16 PM »

I'm good, lets go
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« Reply #99 on: September 23, 2014, 10:11:51 PM »

Considering Representative Hashemite isn't on board, and I think the Archduke agrees with this proposal, let's wait for a final vote on this until Representative GAworth returns from his LOA.

In the meantime, another bill from the queue could be brought to the floor if the Archduke wishes to.
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