Obama government will stop defending the DOMA

[Bacon King]

You and I seem to be using different definitions of the term "classical liberal" - you are referring to the Federalist-Whig-Republican tradition in the US while I am referring to the "Democrat" tradition; Your group is what I would call "republican nationalists" or "Hobbesian republicans" who believed that government ought to be run "for the benefit of the people," while those whom I would describe as "classical liberals" (and who would have described themselves as such at the time) considered government to be an evil in itself.

Sorry to be blunt, I don't think you know what you're talking about.

[Bacon King]

You're an idiot:

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I'll call your out-of-context vague Paine quote, and raise you an extremely specific one:

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(ftr: adjusted for inflation, 15 pounds would be just under $2000; 10 pounds is right at $1300.)

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Paine isn’t the best guy to be quoting for your case either, what with his support for guaranteed minimum income, estate taxes, and welfare for seniors, among other things. (see Agrarian Justice)

A-HA!  The person you just cited disagrees with you on like 3 issues!  Therefore you are all wrong!  (You may note that nowhere does my argument require that Paine or anyone else be a perfect anarcho-capitalist...)

The point is, you're trying to argue that classic liberalism means something it doesn't at all.

[Bacon King]

I'm still waiting to hear why conservatives think that Bob Dole's health care plan=OMG!! Socialism!!!

Because it was very similar in a lot of ways to the PPACA, and the latter was a Democratic bill opposed by the GOP, and thus the '93 Dole-Chafee bill has been retroactively deemed socialism by association (even though half of the GOP Senate caucus at the time cosponsored it, lol).

[Bacon King]

Even besides its anti-gay bigotry, the DOMA is an iffy law regardless.

Let's say Brittain33 here decides to move to, say, South Carolina. This state, through DOMA, doesn't recognize his marriage to another man. He could thus legally marry a woman there. Per the US Constitution, his home state would be forced to recognize his South Carolina marriage even though he already has a recognized marriage with his MA husband and polygamy is illegal. Confusing legal hellhole waiting to happen.

[Bacon King]

The DOMA is perfectly defensible on constitutional grounds. 

five words, my friend: Full Faith and Credit Clause.