Senate Protest and Analysis Thread

[k-onmmunist]

It would be in country, not in game.

[k-onmmunist]

It would be in country, not in game.

Probably better to word it as a resolution against daylight savings time, rather than as a law abolishing it.

Ah. How would you word it then?

[k-onmmunist]

Legalizing cocaine? For real?

Yes.

[k-onmmunist]

Nationalisation of the Petroleum Industry Act

Recognising the failure of the petroleum industry in it's duties of supplying oil at affordable prices

And recognising that there is a need for petroleum to be organised as a social service rather than for profit, and that there is a need for all profits to be divested in further increasing efficiency.

BE IT HEREBY ENACTED THAT: All oil and petroleum companies will be hereby taken into public ownership as the Atlaspetrol Corporation and shall be run as a subsidary of the Department of the Interior on behalf on the people of Atlasia.

lol Nationalization is not the answer to this problem. A prime example would be the failure that has been Pemex in Mexico. The job of the oil companies is not to provide oil at the prices my newly minted Communist friend's views as "affordable". Their job is to supply a demand for energy and make a profit by doing it. The global market dictates the oil prices and it is clear that with the exception of short term speculation the long term upward trends in oil prices are driven by the strength/weakness of the dollar and the most of all by rising global demand, especially in India and China. Consider also that Corporate profits on oil are 8 cents on the dollar. A good but not extreme rate of return. There is no evidence of widespread price gouging. What there is evidence of it, is gov't regulations restricting the production and refining capacities and thus raising the prices. If you want to lower prices and maybe even  create some jobs, why not lesson some of the environmental restrictions and ease the red tape and allow the building of a 50 our so new refineries with up to date technology which would be 1) more efficient, and 2) much safer, then the aging overworked refineries currently in service. Let us also remember that oil reached the lowest prices in the history of the industry when the evil monopolist John D. Rockefeller was working that detestable black magic known as free market capitalism.

You want to lower oil prices, well lets follow the rules of the market. Supply goes up and the prices drop. To create more supply you have to hire thousands of new workers. Another way is to reduce demand, lets diversify the energy and transportation system, get airplanes running on coal to liquid, get car fleet running on 3 or 4 different fuels (like gas, diesel, Natural gas, electricity, and hydrogen). Get the Busses running on Natural gas. Switch people over from heating oil to Natural gas. Thats called innovation, and competition, the prime movers of the free market. I will take that any day over some bureaucrat in DC dictating the prices and causing long lines and fuel shortages in the process. Some gov't intervention may be required but nothing as destructive and counterproductive as this.

I agree, what happened to old freedom fighter?

I don't believe in the 'free market'. I believe in supplying people's needs. Cheap oil is, until we can develop alternate sources of energy, needed. Otherwise, we will have the long lines and fuel shortages of which you speak anyway. Believe it or not, nationalization is supported by alot of conservatives for pragmatic reasons. Only the new right and their free market fundamentalist friends oppose it truly.

[k-onmmunist]

It's more like saying you don't believe in creation.

Are you going to anything other than write platitudes?

[k-onmmunist]

It's more like saying you don't believe in creation.

Are you going to anything other than write platitudes?

Your entire proposal is based on meaningless platitudes. It would not produce cheap oil, but rather result in inefficient, expensive oil production.

I'm afraid you are wrong. But what's the point in arguing this with the man who believes free markets are always right and everyone will be miraculously rich as long as the government doesn't exist?

[k-onmmunist]

It's more like saying you don't believe in creation.

Are you going to anything other than write platitudes?

Your entire proposal is based on meaningless platitudes. It would not produce cheap oil, but rather result in inefficient, expensive oil production.

I'm afraid you are wrong. But what's the point in arguing this with the man who believes free markets are always right and everyone will be miraculously rich as long as the government doesn't exist?

Stop being ridiculous.

Your proposal doesn't even put forward an actual plan as to how you would go about "nationalising" the oil industry.

It's just more of your usual grandstanding.

The consolidation of all oil companies into one publicly owned corporation, owned on behalf of the people, rather than owned by, you know, people who rip us off for profit.

[k-onmmunist]

Ludlow Amendment

Except in the event of an invasion of the Republic of Atlasia or attack upon its citizens residing therein, the authority of the Senate to declare war shall not become effective until confirmed by a majority of all votes cast thereon in a nationwide referendum. The Senate, when it deems a national crisis to exist, may by concurrent resolution refer the question of war or peace to the citizens of the Regions, the question to be voted on being, 'Shall Atlasia declare war on ________?' The Senate may otherwise by law provide for the enforcement of this section.

I like referenda, but this seems just a step too far..

[k-onmmunist]

Alas, thus dies my attempt at public ownership. Though I did expect it to fail

[k-onmmunist]

What on earth is bgwah's immigration act about?

[k-onmmunist]

Let's call an Atlasian presidential election right now and see who wins Xahar, Libertas or bgwah?