SENATE BILL: Clean Energy Research Act of 2014 (Law'd)

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Section 3:

$5 billion shall be appropriated for the specific scientific research of biomass, ethanol, geothermal energy, non-uranium based nuclear power and solar energy in the form of photovoltaic panels, one billion each.

Section 4:

The Nuclear Power Amendment Act shall be amended as follows:

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Sponsor: Lumine

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The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocating for this.

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I am not so hot about the Nuclear section either. I like the rest, but I do wonder how reasonable Section 3's size is dollar wise.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am not so hot about the Nuclear section either. I like the rest, but I do wonder how reasonable Section 3's size is dollar wise.

I'd be fine with running a deficit if it meant allowing us to become energy independent.

Yes but how much are we getting in terms of approaching that goal with each dollar is the question. There might be dimishing returns beyond 1 or 2 and the last 1 or 2 billion would be better spent on infrastructure for instance, or some other form of research that is not listed in that section.

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Science is good and you can quote me on that.

Back as recently as 2009 I used to be really into evolutionary biology and before I became a history nut in the early 2000s leading me into politics and economics, astronomy was my primary area of interest.

Unfortunately, there has just been so little time to devote to such any more.

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Why do we insist upon advocating an "all of the above" approach, when most of those options are inherently inferior? We should be shutting down nuclear facilities and replacing them with federally-owned solar and hydrogen projects (with natural gas as a distant third option), not increasing the amount of subsidies given to the nuclear industry.

Because in real life all of the above is rather necessary, but obviously things are different in Atlasia and maybe the realization of such applied in all areas thus is not quite universal.

Without fracking, perhaps a a safer, more-regulated version than real life, natural gas is probably going to be far less of an option cost wise.

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What about the wastes of nuclear plants though?

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I still haven't gotten to the links yet (take forever to load), but is there a tentative date when fusion, "goes nuclear"? How many years are we wlooked at, at this point?

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In real life yes, but some of that has already been done, except the clean coal I believe spread throughout several bills. I wouldn't be against "repeal and replacing" them though.

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No, it runs on fuel synthesized from granola.


Of course it uses fossil fuels, but in diminished amounts since it likely costs far more ot use it hear adn thus various alternatives are relatively cheaper.

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You offering that as an amendment, Lumine?

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Bit of doomsday paranoia here, but that fission waste has to be cooled day in and day out for the full extent of that time using elecriticty to do it. If the power were to go out and for longer than the generators can power the cooling systems, these will melt down just like the reactors themselves. Fusion has much less of such waste and it only takes a few decades to get rid of it.

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The amendment has been adopted. 61:13 I think.

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Where are we now on this?

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What is the support like amongst the other members. I think a long term approach is desirable but is there the apetite to take on such a task at this juncture?

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So whats next or are we nearing completion?

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AYE


Damn this went over like a lead balloon.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Odd voting bloc we have here

Ayes: Federalists (so far), Center-right TPPer and one sort of moderate Laborite ()
Nays: The Left Laborites, one fiscally conservative (sort of) Laborite and a center-right DR with a decidedly libertarian bent.

Now that is some serious slicing and dicing.

Actually it kind of makes sense since it when you consider it isn't a right versus left issue like the minimum wage but involves questions of gov't intervention and then who should be doing it between business and gov't. Shua would naturally oppose increasing spending and subsizing things, and in many cases I would agree with him, but energy is like a noose on the economy because it is so monopolized by one resource (less so here but still). The left Laborites want business out of their business. bore either wants that here, opposes the subsidy aspect or a little bit of both maybe.

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21 hours left here.

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Time is up here I think.