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Question: munist rebels in WWII freedom fighters?
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John Dibble
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« on: July 12, 2005, 01:46:54 PM »

Fighting to replace one form of tyranny with another isn't quite freedom fighting.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2005, 10:04:54 PM »

"Evil thinks not to beguile us by unveiling the terrible truth of its festering intent, but comes, instead, disguised in the diaphanous robes of virtue, whispering sweet sounding lies intended to seduce us into the dark bed of our eternal graves." ~ Terry Goodkind
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John Dibble
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2005, 09:07:22 AM »

I voted yes. It depends on your definition, but a Communist movement can certainly create a freer state and in its characteristics be anti-oppression.

No communist state is a free state.
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John Dibble
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2005, 01:45:04 PM »

"Evil thinks not to beguile us by unveiling the terrible truth of its festering intent, but comes, instead, disguised in the diaphanous robes of virtue, whispering sweet sounding lies intended to seduce us into the dark bed of our eternal graves." ~ Terry Goodkind

Does Terry Goodkind turn you into a libertarian?  I bought Wizard's First Rule (I'll read it when I'm done readin gmy current series), and I don't want to be corrupted O_O

No, and actually he doesn't get very preachy until the sixth book anyways. Still, you should read them so you might better understand an opposing viewpoint.

And the quote is true about more than just communism anyways - plenty of evil comes claiming that it is good. For instance, Islamic terrorists claim they are fighting a war in the name of god, but it does not make the true nature of their fight any different, it merely puts a face on it that some people will like.
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John Dibble
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2005, 07:27:12 AM »

Well John who was the best choice in Yugoslavia during WWII?

There were 3 factions:

Ustase: Croation nationalists. Sided with the Nazis and ran a Nazi puppet state, and planned on killing or forcibly removing any non-Croat from that state.

Chetniks: Serb nationalists and supporters of the Serb dominated royalty. Initially opposed the Nazis because of the connections to Ustase, but later eventually made a cease-fire, basically didn't care which side won and just wanted to return to a monarchist Serb-dominated Yugoslavia.

People's Liberation Army and Partisan Detachments of Yugoslavia: The communists. Tito's forces. Staunchly opposed to the Nazis and all forms of Fascism. Led by the Anti-Fascist Council of National Liberation of Yugoslavia. You'd be hard pressed to find a more staunchly anti-fascist historical figure than Tito. Later broke with Stalin and rest of the Eastern Bloc.

Who's the best?

Well, first off you have clearly put in a lot of bias in your descriptions, especially trying to show off the last in a positive light. Second, they all sucked, but I'd probably say the Chetniks were the 'best' out of three horrible options. Communism and facism are both tyrannical forms of government by their very natures, so just because people who supported one opposed the other doesn't mean that one of them is good - they are both evil. Need I remind you that many Nazis opposed communism, and many attrocities were commited under communism too.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2005, 11:29:38 AM »

But Titoism is far different from Stalinism. Stalin had many of his officers executed he suspected of being Titoists. Tito broke with Stalin in 1948 and then started a movement of countries that would support neither the Soviet Union or the West/NATO. He was hardly your typical communist.

Does it matter? Sure, there are degrees in communism - Cuba isn't as bad as North Korea, for instance - as with any other tyrannical philosophy, but communism as a form of government is always tyranny.
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