SENATE BILL: Senate Resolution on the 2014 Crimean Crisis (Amendment Vote)

[Lumine]

Lumine, are you going to offer that text as an amendment?

Hmmmmm... I'll make a small modification in light of the comments:

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[TNF]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

[windjammer]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

[Cincinnatus]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

I know, we're debating ukrainen immigration when we have an influx of aliens to deal with?..crazy.

[windjammer]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

I know, we're debating ukrainen immigration when we have an influx of aliens to deal with?..crazy.

Why do you speak about aliens?
I just reacted to TNF's post, who seems to insinuate that the new ukrainian government could lead to massive persecution.

[Lumine]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

I would be more than willing to discuss it as a different piece of legislation, but I'm not sure it really belongs here, unless we allow free immigration to every person who may feel threatened by the whole conflict. Granted, I'm biased towards Ukraine (and thus towards their government, regardless of the far right elements), but I believe the numbers show that most Russians living there have not been discriminated in the past few years, and I'm not convinced that their situation is changing dramatically with the current government beyond the use of rethoric by some elements.

[TNF]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

Yes, I for one would not want to be a Jew in Ukraine, where the incumbent government is on friendly terms with the neo-nazi Svoboda party.

[Lumine]

Might we also allow for the free immigration of those in Ukraine who feel threatened by the new government there?

Loooooooool. Are you serious?

Yes, I for one would not want to be a Jew in Ukraine, where the incumbent government is on friendly terms with the neo-nazi Svoboda party.

Svoboda has many dangerous radical elements, but the party leadership has done a great deal of effort to modertate the party and expulse neo-fascistic and neo-nazi elements. Even the recent polemic actions by members of Svoboda are quickly condemned by the current government and party leaders, and while their use of rethoric can become offensive at times, I refuse to believe it's worse than the planned expulsion of tatars and other minorities in the Crimea.

After this resolution passes (or not), I also plan to propose an aid plan for Ukraine following the suggestion of Special Envoy SJoyce which will try to put further conditions to keep Svoboda at bay and help individuals within Ukraine, but the fundamental purpose of this resolution is to condemn Russia.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Lumine, are you going to offer that text as an amendment?

Hmmmmm... I'll make a small modification in light of the comments:

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Are you thus offerring it at this point then? Unless you specifically state so, I won't treat it as such. The reason is just for thep urpose you just illustrated, the ability to alter the text before getting locked into a process for three to five days.

[Lumine]

Lumine, are you going to offer that text as an amendment?

Hmmmmm... I'll make a small modification in light of the comments:

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Are you thus offerring it at this point then? Unless you specifically state so, I won't treat it as such. The reason is just for thep urpose you just illustrated, the ability to alter the text before getting locked into a process for three to five days.

Indeed, I formally offer that text as an amendment,

[TNF]

Offering this as an amendment. Surely it makes more sense just to fully open up immigration with the whole of Ukraine rather than just cherrypicking the Crimea region, no? It's not like INS officials are going to be doing intensive truth finding missions to make sure that people who claim they're from Crimea are actually from there, anyway.

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[Lumine]

I am unsure about how to proceed with two amendments at the same time, but I might as well point out that I'll take TNF's amendment as friendly since the language seems neutral enough for me.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Objection filed by Senator TNF. The VP may open a vote on the amendment at any time.

[Lumine]

Mr. Vice-President...?

[Sopranos Republican]

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Sponsor Feedback: Origination

Status: Objection filed by Senator TNF. Senators a vote on the amendment is now open. Please vote: AYE, NAY, or Abstain.

[Goldwater]

AYE

[President Tyrion]

Aye

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Lumine]

Aye.

[TNF]

Nay

[bore]

Aye

[Talleyrand]

AYE

[DC Al Fine]

Nay

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Aye.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment 60:15 by Lumine:

Aye (7): Alfred F. Jones, bore, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, Talleyrand, and TyrionthImperialist
Nay (2) DC al Fine and TNF
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (1): shua

The VP may end this vote at any time.