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« on: November 25, 2023, 09:06:34 PM »

Can someone explain how Atlas created the tradition of red & blue colours that are associated to their parties being reversed, basically the start of it and why this is the case?

I feel like the left party always should be red and blue more associated with conservative (and also liberal i guess). So republicans being red bothers me a bit. I can't think of any right-wing or conservative parties that have red as their colour. I know this is due to historic reasons in part, basically the colour since Lincoln era. And back than the republicans were arguably more left wing, exc on economic issues, but everyone was right wing before communism and socialism were invented.

On the old maps, i like atlas blue and atlas red but since the new update 1-2 years ago, i prefer the modern colours as the colour scheme changed and now reversing it compared to the IRL colours makes less sense i feel.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2023, 09:22:24 PM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2023, 09:26:30 PM »

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Why are Republicans in blue and Democrats in red (while most other news organizations have the opposite)?

Elephants have a blue hue and donkeys have a red hue Smiley (Actually, as a visitor pointed out, elephants are actually gray - but they appear to look more blue than red Smiley Red and blue are chosen for the maps because they both are primary colors and because they both are incorporated in the flag. The choice of which party is represented by which color was somewhat arbitrary. I was perhaps influenced by maps that I had seen in the distant past (I still remember the solid blue field of Ronald Reagan's re-election in my hometown newspaper in 1984 - I was 14 at the time). Also, internationally, red typically represents parties on the left side of the political spectrum, i.e. the Democrats here in the U.S.
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« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2023, 10:47:20 PM »

Blue makes sense for Republicans who are occasionally depressed.
As for red, maybe Leip thinks Democrats are all commies. Devil
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2023, 10:54:14 PM »

Can someone explain how Atlas created the tradition of red & blue colours that are associated to their parties being reversed, basically the start of it and why this is the case?

I feel like the left party always should be red and blue more associated with conservative (and also liberal i guess). So republicans being red bothers me a bit. I can't think of any right-wing or conservative parties that have red as their colour. I know this is due to historic reasons in part, basically the colour since Lincoln era. And back than the republicans were arguably more left wing, exc on economic issues, but everyone was right wing before communism and socialism were invented.

On the old maps, i like atlas blue and atlas red but since the new update 1-2 years ago, i prefer the modern colours as the colour scheme changed and now reversing it compared to the IRL colours makes less sense i feel.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2023, 11:41:30 PM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.
Wasn’t this site made in 2003?
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2023, 03:02:41 AM »

Blue means Secular and Red means Traditional that's why Ds are blue and Rs red but Nixon was a compassionate conserv ahd so was Lincoln so blue was used sometimes by the media when reference to R party before Reagan, as we know Reagan was a solid Conserv, so since 1980 media used red Rs
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2023, 08:12:57 AM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.

Why are party colours such a recent thing than?
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2023, 09:18:41 AM »
« Edited: November 26, 2023, 09:28:21 AM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

Rs believes in Judicial Review until Buckley v Valero which gave Koch Bros unregulated contribution as soft money and was written in Citizens United that interest groups like the Koch Bros can give as much soft money as possible. That gave ruse to Ronald Reagaj, Carter couldn't compete with Koch money contributions but Teddy Kennedy could have

Whom got the most out of Koch Bros Ronald Reagan

But, Kennedy lost because some Rs crossed over and voted for the weaker Carter over Kennedy

Judicial Review is Federal Rights Secular and states rights is Buckley v Valeo that's the divider between blue v red Lincoln and Nixon compassionate conserv and Reagan a Tradit, now Ds believe in Judicial Review and will repeal Citizens United

That's why Laki or Turner said I would be a D in the 1800 lol Jefferson, Jackson and Polk didn't even want women to vote that's the Dixiecrat party it's not just  that and after slavery there were Chain Gangs because they didn't have public Defenders until the 1965 that's states rights not Judicial Review

Dixiecrat were sometimes referred to as red in color and R party compassion conserv for Federalist was the blue Party but in 1917 after Karl Marx and Communism there was entitlements and taxes on the wealthy had to be raised for entitlement, so since after Buckley v Valeo and Tim Russert whom secularized the Media we used Blue for Ds and Red for Rs
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2023, 01:06:35 PM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.

Why are party colours such a recent thing than?

Bush v Gore
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« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2023, 01:33:35 PM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.

Why are party colours such a recent thing than?

They used to always use blue for the incumbent party and red for the challenger in lots of outlets. This included 2000, when Democrats were given blue due to Clinton being incumbent. The election mess that year resulted in the map getting far more ingrained in the public’s minds, so networks decided to just stick with the color scheme indefinitely. The parties themselves started to pick up the colors in their own material over the following decade.
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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2023, 02:51:37 PM »
« Edited: November 26, 2023, 02:59:15 PM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

Blue meant Revolutionary and Lincoln party was the Yankee party and Dixiecrat was the Red or Slave and Rebellion party since Reagan it's been reverse, Nixon and Ford were Conserv like McCain they didn't advocate huge tax cuts giveaways to the rich, McCain always said he was a Nixon Conserv, he said he believed in tax credits but not huge 40 K tax cuts for rich, that's why AZ flipped from red to blue because Ducey and McCain whom were Nixon not Reagan left office

That's why AZ isn't a red state it's a blue state it's still a 303 map but in 2012 279 plus IA and OH made 303 now it's 303 with AZ and GA minus especially Iowa but OH is still winnable Brown has been leading LaRose


NV and AZ are always fools gold for Rs because Dina Titus the most liberal members of the H in NV gets elected every 2 yrs and CCM and Rosen are just as liberal as she is.


So when you see Atlas blue and red it just means the original intent of the Framers of Constitution Washington, Adams and Ben Franklin were compassionate conserv they were Patriotic Yankees not believing in slavery
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2023, 03:37:37 PM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.

Why are party colours such a recent thing than?
It used to be that when a candidate won, they won almost every state, so little attention was paid to which states voted for who. This changed with Bill Clinton’s election in 1992, but it was clear long before election day that Clinton would win in 1992 and that he would be re-elected in 1996. In 2000, the election was so close that there was litigation over who won Florida and every state voted for the candidate that was the best cultural fit for them, so people started referring to “red states” and “blue states”.
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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2023, 03:38:12 PM »

They used to always use blue for the incumbent party and red for the challenger in lots of outlets. This included 2000, when Democrats were given blue due to Clinton being incumbent. The election mess that year resulted in the map getting far more ingrained in the public’s minds, so networks decided to just stick with the color scheme indefinitely. The parties themselves started to pick up the colors in their own material over the following decade.

Though sometimes challenging candidates were also given blue: thus 'Lake Reagan' in 1980. It was all a bit random. Basically the colours of both parties - looking back at logos, adverts and other propaganda going back decades - were the national colours of red, white and blue.
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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2023, 03:39:06 PM »

The United States' political party color scheme was consolidated during the 2000 election's florida dispute, eight years after Dave Leip created his website.
Wasn’t this site made in 2003?

The Atlas is older than the forum, and Dave had been making maps of American elections since the early 1990s.
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