What if the Democrats moderated on abortion?

[Person Man]

I could see something like
D:43 G:5 L:5 R:47
http://www.270towin.com/maps/OpDBA

It could help if Roe was overturned and Democrats could run on keeping it legal at will until 12 weeks and for cause (unexpected complications with pregnancy) until 22 weeks.

[Person Man]

This shouldn't be talked about until Roe is actually overruled. It looked really bad last time we lost back-to-back elections when PP said Roe "went too far".

I will also add that post-viability or near-viability abortion bans aren't really "modearate" and heartbeat bills or blanket bans that have exceptions only for self-defense aren't at all moderate., either..

Once the Democrats become Moderate on abortion they'll be more competitive nationally. Virginia will flip from leaning D to Likely/Safe D. North Carolina will move from a tossup to leaning D. They will start losing voters in safe blue states and a huge ideological shift will take place. Wouldn't be a bad move for Democrats.

"Start" being competitive nationally. What are you smoking? Democrats won two presidential elections in a row and was followed by a slim GOP win where your guy lost the popular vote by millions and just barely won the state PV in WI/MI/PA/FL, and you're acting like Democrats are not competitive nationally? You think this was a non-competitive election?

You're interrupting the Social Conservative love fest.

Do they think that's a sin?

[Person Man]

If the Democrats moderated on abortion, I'd seriously consider changing parties.

Then just do it now and help them take the first step.

I would think that you of all people would want Inks to remain a Republican.

Unless I'm misunderstanding him, he more or less insinuated the major roadblock to him becoming a Democrat is the abortion issue, which leads me to believe his non-abortion views are left-of-center?  As someone who wants the GOP to be a big tent party on the issue of abortion (I'd prefer we remain clearly pro-life but tolerate candidates who feel differently and DEFINITELY support moderate measures like exceptions for life of the mother, rape, incest, etc.), I am not a fan of such a presence in our party, as it pretty much drags us left on (what I believe to be) the wrong issues.

Unless he's views chzanged fairly recently, which I suppose is possible, Inks is actually pretty conservative. I think he feels alienated from the Republican Party because of Trump and the various shenanigans Congress has pulled during the Obama years, such as last year's Supreme Court vacancy debacle, so the Democrats shifting to left on any major issues would make a party switch tempting. I mean, it's possible I'm wrong and he's shifted to the left, but in that case he need to update his PM score.

He was almost as right-wing as ER at point point. Borderline reactionary...but he seemed to moderate a bit over the years.

[Person Man]

As with "gun rights", so it is with abortion: there is no middle ground The people for guns or against abortion confuse any compromise (like background checks or allowing abortions to save the health of the mother) as a demonic compromise as evil as going completely to the other side. Rules are absolute, and human consequences matter not in the least.

We may soon see much the same on economics. One believes the most absurd, irrational, extreme position or one is damned to Hell. 

Excess in defense of being special is no vice!

[Person Man]

Defunding PP is not "moderate" it's a stupid idea that research shows does more harm then stoping abortion

The idea that the government should be funding private business in the first place is extreme.

Then defund Amtrak.

Amtrak is owned by the government.

And then there's the fossil fuel companies. In Wyoming, they are considering banning competitors from selling power there.

[Person Man]

What if the Republicans moderated on the economy and supported nationalising banks/ industry and wealth confiscation?

They're...uh... somewhat trying this with DJT. Somewhat. I can't really tell, but that was his original inchoate undeveloped general election strategy that never went anywhere.

If Obama tried to influence private decisions like Trump is, he would have been called a Stalnist.

[Person Man]

The triumphalist social liberals in this thread invoking Europe as a pro abortion nirvana really need to look at the actual abortion laws in Europe.

Basically it comes up far less as a political issue in large part because the laws are a messy compromise which satisfy neither activist pro choicers or activist pro lifers (although because of when the majority of abortions occur the arrangement obviously favours pro choicers)

usually, afaik, there are restrictions regarding the timeline......but there is no major party in western europe which is able to make a winning topic out of outlawing abortions.

Err...

That's exactly my point.  Abortion as an issue is far less politicised in Europe in large part because the laws are stricter than in America.

They could be considered more pro-voice than pro-chouce?