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RINO Tom
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« on: June 22, 2017, 10:23:50 AM »


And there is the establishment viewpoint in a nutshell. But those who crashed the world economy and support endless wars in the middle east should be embraced, right?
Embracing voters who hate the rest of the democrats is not a way to win.

Neither is relying on the "rest of the Democrats," as there aren't enough of them.  You need to win a group you're not winning now, and most people think the logical choice is to win people who recently voted for you.  How crazy!

Anyway, let's first point out that this past Democratic nominee DID win "working class voters."  She lost WHITE "working class voters," but she won the group overall, and within minority voters she did better with working class ones than more affluent and educated ones.  As mentioned by TML, they just need Obama margins.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 10:43:27 AM »


And there is the establishment viewpoint in a nutshell. But those who crashed the world economy and support endless wars in the middle east should be embraced, right?
Embracing voters who hate the rest of the democrats is not a way to win.

Neither is relying on the "rest of the Democrats," as there aren't enough of them.  You need to win a group you're not winning now, and most people think the logical choice is to win people who recently voted for you.  How crazy!

Anyway, let's first point out that this past Democratic nominee DID win "working class voters."  She lost WHITE "working class voters," but she won the group overall, and within minority voters she did better with working class ones than more affluent and educated ones.  As mentioned by TML, they just need Obama margins.
Appealing to people who want to stay in the past is not the way to the future.

That's a great tagline and all, but appealing to people who might not want to stay in the past (say, educated and wealthy Whites living in suburban districts) but literally don't agree with your party's platform and have showed multiple times now that they'll bite the bullet even in the age of Trump if it means conservative economic policies isn't exactly one either.
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RINO Tom
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Posts: 17,063
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E: 2.45, S: -0.52

« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2017, 09:42:36 AM »


And there is the establishment viewpoint in a nutshell. But those who crashed the world economy and support endless wars in the middle east should be embraced, right?
Embracing voters who hate the rest of the democrats is not a way to win.

Neither is relying on the "rest of the Democrats," as there aren't enough of them.  You need to win a group you're not winning now, and most people think the logical choice is to win people who recently voted for you.  How crazy!

Anyway, let's first point out that this past Democratic nominee DID win "working class voters."  She lost WHITE "working class voters," but she won the group overall, and within minority voters she did better with working class ones than more affluent and educated ones.  As mentioned by TML, they just need Obama margins.
Appealing to people who want to stay in the past is not the way to the future.

That's a great tagline and all, but appealing to people who might not want to stay in the past (say, educated and wealthy Whites living in suburban districts) but literally don't agree with your party's platform and have showed multiple times now that they'll bite the bullet even in the age of Trump if it means conservative economic policies isn't exactly one either.
The vast majority of Clinton Republicans voted for Ossoff.

And that means absolutely nothing, because both of them lost. Democrats need to shift decisively to the left on economics, or say goodbye to the industrial states for good.
There's a path to victory that isn't pandering to Iowa.

Then do the Democrats really need Michigan? What about Wisconsin? If we follow your argument, then Dems need to go right of Republicans on economics.
Democrats should court voters who don't hate their coalition, don't demand everyone bend over backwards for them, and actually acknowledge that free trade is good.

A lot of Democrats DON'T think free trade is good; that's why their nominee had absolutely no choice but to go full-blown protectionist.
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RINO Tom
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2017, 04:21:48 PM »

I really don't think they can until Trump is in-eligible to run. His platform reached out to working class voters well.

Did it, really?  It certainly did better than most Republicans, but Trump was still campaigning on largely conservative economic policies more traditionally associated with a GOP that past "WWC  voters" rejected like tax cuts, deregulation and simplifying the tax code.  Clinton was utterly inept at capitalizing on that, though, and decided (very falsely) that there was a better opening to try to nab up disaffected Republicans.
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