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« Reply #150 on: November 11, 2008, 06:22:32 PM »

Why did Le Pen do so well in Aquitaine (Gironde, Lot-et-Garonne)?

Le Pen seems to do better in Gironde and Lot-et-Garonne than in the other departments of Aquitaine.

It's also stretching it a bit to say he did "so well" in Gironde and Lot-et-Garonne, Gironde-5 was very close (Chirac was only a few % behind). Saint-Josse and CPNT do well there too (14.7% in Gironde-5 in 2002). Gironde-11 was also close.

edit: The FN also had a seat(s) in Bordeaux until this year.

Le Pen always did well along the Garonne valley (Gironde, Lot-et-Garonne, Tarn-et-Garonne, Tarn, but also Haute-Garonne), because of big or middle-size cities (Bordeaux, Agen, Marmande, Montauban, Toulouse, Castres) but also beacause of "rapatriés", "pieds-noirs", Europeans who went back in France when Algeria won its independence in 1962.
This is the electoral legacy if this French exodus....

IIRC, Tixier-Vignancour in 1965 did also well in these "départements". But it must be checked.

The Lot-et-Garonne atleast also has a Poujadist tradition IIRC.

I have a Poujadist map and the Tixier map on my website.

Confirmed: Tixier Vignancour did very well there (in relative terms), up to Charente-Maritime BTW, like Le Pen 20 years later...

And in 1962, the "no" in the referendum on Evian agreements (which made Algeria an independent state) did very well also in the vallet Garonne (apart from the South East, old stronghold of the far right).

Le Pen did well in Charente-Maritime in his first run and the FN did well till about '86 IIRC. Back then the FN vote was much lower in the quartiers populaires and with workers and more of a bourgeois-Royalist protest vote. A look at the evolution of the FN's base in Paris proper is very interesting. Should do a few maps on that.

BTW, any place where I could find departmental results for the Evian referendum?
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« Reply #151 on: November 12, 2008, 04:26:28 AM »
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Confirmed: Tixier Vignancour did very well there (in relative terms), up to Charente-Maritime BTW, like Le Pen 20 years later...

And in 1962, the "no" in the referendum on Evian agreements (which made Algeria an independent state) did very well also in the vallet Garonne (apart from the South East, old stronghold of the far right).

Le Pen did well in Charente-Maritime in his first run and the FN did well till about '86 IIRC. Back then the FN vote was much lower in the quartiers populaires and with workers and more of a bourgeois-Royalist protest vote. A look at the evolution of the FN's base in Paris proper is very interesting. Should do a few maps on that.

BTW, any place where I could find departmental results for the Evian referendum?

Look at your personal messages on this site: I gave you one book where there is a map on 1962 referendum. But there aren't detailed numbers by department. I'll try to find them.

Le Pen's vote was never a bourgeois-royalist one. Sure, there was a small fringe of upgrade vote and a less small fringe of traditional catholic and military vote. But it wasn't a majority in FN's electorate.

In the beginning, it was more a "petit-bourgeois" and "boutiquier" one: small businesses in towns or small cities. The "Algérie française" vote was still pregnant (Le Pen himself is a mixture of Algérie française and Poujade, but more of the former; Mégret is closer to the real fascist model: European, elitist, technological).

During the 1990s, the blue-collars vote became more important.
But the "petit-bourbeois" vote, afraid of immigrants, has remained strong: see the inner North-East: Haute-Marne, Aube, Marne, Meuse, Jura, Doubs, where immigration is not very high (contrayr to Moselle, Meurthe-et-Moselle, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Alsace,...) but where, in the end, the FN did better than in his traditional strongholds in the Mediterranean south.
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« Reply #152 on: November 12, 2008, 07:47:14 AM »


Confirmed: Tixier Vignancour did very well there (in relative terms), up to Charente-Maritime BTW, like Le Pen 20 years later...

And in 1962, the "no" in the referendum on Evian agreements (which made Algeria an independent state) did very well also in the vallet Garonne (apart from the South East, old stronghold of the far right).

Le Pen did well in Charente-Maritime in his first run and the FN did well till about '86 IIRC. Back then the FN vote was much lower in the quartiers populaires and with workers and more of a bourgeois-Royalist protest vote. A look at the evolution of the FN's base in Paris proper is very interesting. Should do a few maps on that.

BTW, any place where I could find departmental results for the Evian referendum?

Look at your personal messages on this site: I gave you one book where there is a map on 1962 referendum. But there aren't detailed numbers by department. I'll try to find them.

Le Pen's vote was never a bourgeois-royalist one. Sure, there was a small fringe of upgrade vote and a less small fringe of traditional catholic and military vote. But it wasn't a majority in FN's electorate.

In the beginning, it was more a "petit-bourgeois" and "boutiquier" one: small businesses in towns or small cities. The "Algérie française" vote was still pregnant (Le Pen himself is a mixture of Algérie française and Poujade, but more of the former; Mégret is closer to the real fascist model: European, elitist, technological).

During the 1990s, the blue-collars vote became more important.
But the "petit-bourbeois" vote, afraid of immigrants, has remained strong: see the internal North-East: Haute-Marne, Aube, Marne, Meuse, Jura, Doubs, where immigration is not very high (contrayr to Moselle, Meurthe-et-Moselle, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, Alsace,...) but where, in the end, the FN did better than in his traditional strongholds in the Mediterranean south.


In Paris atleast, there was a good part of the FN vote that came from the posh areas (16th, 17th). See this site. Granted, it wasn't very high as the FN didn't poll very high (something like 3-4% in those areas and below the 1% average in eastern Paris).
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« Reply #153 on: November 12, 2008, 04:56:56 PM »

Hashemite, I've just sent you, on your gmail and hotmail boxes, a pdf file with maps on the 1962 referendum on Evian agreements, with results by departments.

Hope it will be useful.
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« Reply #154 on: November 12, 2008, 07:31:22 PM »

Data courtesy of Filliatre. Thank him, not me.

1962 Presidential election ref



Evian accords ref



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« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2008, 05:40:08 PM »









Guess which party supported the 'yes' in May 1946.

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« Reply #156 on: November 13, 2008, 05:44:58 PM »

I've never actually seen the text of the May 1946 constitution. Does anybody have it?
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« Reply #157 on: November 13, 2008, 05:59:15 PM »

I've never actually seen the text of the May 1946 constitution. Does anybody have it?

http://mjp.univ-perp.fr/france/co1946p.htm
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« Reply #158 on: November 13, 2008, 06:02:37 PM »


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« Reply #159 on: November 13, 2008, 09:19:39 PM »

Strange map

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« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2008, 04:05:53 AM »

A bit strange in comparison to the first 1946 referendum (just a map of the left of these days).
Sure, communist strongholds can be seen in this map.
But, the national average dilutes a bit this effect and Bretagne and Ile-de-France may have given MRP and radical voters to the "OUI" (but not the East).
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« Reply #161 on: November 14, 2008, 10:23:06 AM »

2007 runoff in Indre-et-Loire.

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« Reply #162 on: November 14, 2008, 12:50:09 PM »

Any requests for 2007 runoff maps for any department?
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« Reply #163 on: November 14, 2008, 02:01:03 PM »

Any requests for 2007 runoff maps for any department?
Why not Maine-et-Loire ?
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« Reply #164 on: November 14, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »

Gironde would be fine.
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« Reply #165 on: November 14, 2008, 05:15:06 PM »

Sorry to drop another idea amid your 07 runoff series, but had you posted a map on Pierre Juquin, presidential election 1988, as communist candidate but outside the party ? Should be interesting for Atlasians.

He gathered more than usual marginal candidates.

But his map is weird: sort of PCF map but only the south !

Not at all a far-left map (LCR or LO: an arch of strongness from North-West to North to North-East).

Not at all a green map (from North-West to urban Ile-de-France plus the large centre-East, with Lyon, Alsace, Jura, the Alps and Dauphiné).

Juquin's map can't be compared with any other one. Really puzzling.
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« Reply #166 on: November 14, 2008, 05:30:43 PM »

Lemme finish Gironde.
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« Reply #167 on: November 14, 2008, 05:34:57 PM »

Sure, just a suggestion. Take ya time !
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« Reply #168 on: November 14, 2008, 05:48:45 PM »

Gironde



Loir-et-Cher



And now, Lozere. Al will like this map.

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« Reply #169 on: November 14, 2008, 06:07:38 PM »

How Gironde has evolved ! Thanks for this intricated map.

Inner Gironde, more on the popular left in the past, is now appealed by Sarkozy'07.

On the other hand, more posh areas in Bordeaux itself, in the western suburbs of Bordeaux and in the southern Medoc (wines....) has voted for the left.

Blue-collar Sarkozy, "bobo" PS....
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« Reply #170 on: November 14, 2008, 06:23:23 PM »

Hastily done, so not optimal, but whatever.

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« Reply #171 on: November 15, 2008, 10:17:08 AM »

Maine-et-Loire.

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« Reply #172 on: November 15, 2008, 11:47:05 AM »

If you do a screengrab just before the Geoclip map fully loads, you can get a cleaner map to work with. But you have to be quick!
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« Reply #173 on: November 15, 2008, 11:55:45 AM »

Gironde, 1st round?
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« Reply #174 on: November 15, 2008, 01:16:39 PM »


I won't do first round maps because Geoclip doesn't have a map of the winner of the first round by commune and I'd need to go commune-by-commune on the MoI site. Gah.

If you do a screengrab just before the Geoclip map fully loads, you can get a cleaner map to work with. But you have to be quick!

I actually prefer the messy map with the fat borders Tongue
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