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« on: April 19, 2024, 01:43:01 AM »

Trump said he was going to run this point in April 2011 but declined.

Who would win a 3-way 2012?
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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2024, 05:34:04 PM »

Trump probably gets less than 1 percent if not less than half a percent of the vote. He doesn’t do any better than Gary Johnson did in 2012. Obama probably still wins with 51% of the popular vote and Romney at 47% with the exact same map as the real 2012 results.
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2024, 05:36:09 PM »

Also had he run in 2012 either in the primary or general or both he would not have been seen as a serious contender for 2016. Maybe 2020 or 2024 depending on the circumstances but Trump ran for president in 2000 and considered running in 1996 as a reform party nominee so he would have been seen as a perennial candidate
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2024, 07:04:43 PM »
« Edited: April 19, 2024, 07:09:45 PM by Agonized-Statism »


President Barack Obama (D-IL) / Vice President Joe Biden (D-DE) ✓
Fmr. Governor Mitt Romney (R-MA) / Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI)
Businessman Donald Trump (I-NY) / Senator Jim DeMint (I-SC)

Trump's biggest effect here would be hurting Romney by making him sound weak to conservatives on every issue. Some would suspect he was a Democratic plant, but they wouldn't really be able to deny the softening effect he had on Romney's rhetoric. That said, his campaign wouldn't really gain traction as a viable alternative in the media environment of 2012. I've posted at length about the cultural factors behind Trump's popularity, all of which occurred in Obama's second term.

A Trump candidacy wouldn't be a Tea Party revolt so much as a civil war within the Tea Party (note that it wasn't a 1:1, there's plenty of overlap between the Tea Party and MAGA in its "Main Street USA" base but plenty defected too; I know a Tea Partier who was in it for the small-government angle that became a Never Trumper), plus some of what were the Obama-Trump voters IOTL. I think the religious right would reject Trump's uncouthness given a more palatable-ish option in Romney as they hadn't gotten quite so desperate yet. The younger online alt-right aspect of his movement IOTL wouldn't be a thing pre-Gamergate, although the much smaller Paulbot cohort would be a token part of his coalition here. Not a total wipeout for Romney but hurts bad. I'm iffy on South Carolina but DeMint pushes it over the line here.
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2024, 11:33:34 PM »
« Edited: April 20, 2024, 12:43:24 AM by Make America Grumpy Again »

While Trump probably wouldn't of done this good, in most scenarios it would still harm Romney.



National Popular Vote:
Obama: 51%
Trump: 24%
Romney: 23%
All other candidates: 2%

Closest States:
Oklahoma: Romney +.22
Alabama: Trump+.25
Idaho: Trump +.53
Arkansas: Trump +.76
Wyoming: Trump +.90

Closer States:
Kentucky: Obama+1.25
South Dakota: Obama+3.29
Tennessee: Obama+3.34
North Dakota: Trump+3.86
Nebraska: Obama+4.70

Close States:
Kansas: Obama +5.55
Arizona: Obama+5.60
Mississippi: Obama+5.87
Louisiana: Obama+6.90
West Virginia: Trump +7.14
Indiana: Obama+7.87
Montana: Obama +9.16

Margin of victory: 10-20% (In chronological order):
South Carolina
Missouri
Alaska
Iowa
Texas
Ohio
Georgia


Margin of victory: 20-40% (In chronological order, All for Obama unless otherwise specified)
Michigan
Wisconsin
Colorado
New Mexico
North Carolina (Tipping point; Obama fails to reach 270, D+21)
Florida
Minnesota
Pennsylvania
Nevada
New Hampshire
Virginia
National Popular Vote (D+27)
Maine

Utah (Romney)
Oregon
Washington
Delaware
Rhode Island
Illinois
New Jersey
Massachusetts
California
Connecticut
Maryland


Margin of Vicotry (>40%; all for Obama):
New York 40%
Hawaii: 43%
Vermont: 60%
Washington DC: 83%
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