Israel-Gaza war

[AtorBoltox]

If Ukraine is invaded by Russia, Ukrainians have the right to fight back
When my country was invaded by Germany (TWICE), we have the right to fight back.
When Armenia is invaded by Azerbaijan, Armenia has the right to fight back
The same applies to Palestine.
The country is occupied as of today.
This is self defence.

You just don't get it do you? Or at least, that's the charitable explanation.
Killing civilians is a bad thing. Why can't you condemn that?

Is it because the people being killed are Jewish?

The most important distinction one has to make.

Israeli is not the same as Jewish. You have to make that distinction. Many jewish people live outside Israel, sometimes even condemning Israel the same way I do. And a quarter of Israelis population is in fact Arab or another religion.

But I suppose you like the users who generalize and say all republicans are nazis as well.

"I don't support the mass murder of Jews, just of Israelis" isn't a distinction that makes you look better

[AtorBoltox]

If Ukraine is invaded by Russia, Ukrainians have the right to fight back
When my country was invaded by Germany (TWICE), we have the right to fight back.
When Armenia is invaded by Azerbaijan, Armenia has the right to fight back
The same applies to Palestine.
The country is occupied as of today.
This is self defence.

You just don't get it do you? Or at least, that's the charitable explanation.
Killing civilians is a bad thing. Why can't you condemn that?

Is it because the people being killed are Jewish?

The most important distinction one has to make.

Israeli is not the same as Jewish. You have to make that distinction. Many jewish people live outside Israel, sometimes even condemning Israel the same way I do. And a quarter of Israelis population is in fact Arab or another religion.

But I suppose you like the users who generalize and say all republicans are nazis as well.

"I don't support the mass murder of Jews, just of Israelis" isn't a distinction that makes you look better

I never said i support mass murder of Israelis.

You came into a thread about mass pogroms against Israelis to comment 'resistance is justified'

[AtorBoltox]

If Ukraine is invaded by Russia, Ukrainians have the right to fight back
When my country was invaded by Germany (TWICE), we have the right to fight back.
When Armenia is invaded by Azerbaijan, Armenia has the right to fight back
The same applies to Palestine.
The country is occupied as of today.
This is self defence.

You just don't get it do you? Or at least, that's the charitable explanation.
Killing civilians is a bad thing. Why can't you condemn that?

Is it because the people being killed are Jewish?

So my post calling this out as reductionist was deleted, but Conservatopia gets to accuse others of literally wanting to kill people cause they're Jewish?

Bullsh**t.

"reductionist" innocent people are being slaughtered, take the twitter leftist speak elsewhere

[AtorBoltox]

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That's a remarkably lenient punishment for cheering on genocide

[AtorBoltox]

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DavidB stated in a post, he wished for my death in my native language.

English is the main language of this forum but is posting in another actually against the rules?

[AtorBoltox]

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DavidB stated in a post, he wished for my death in my native language.

English is the main language of this forum but is posting in another actually against the rules?

It's not the fact that he posted in dutch, it's what he posted in dutch that matters.



Translated in: "Your father should have used sexual protection. Would have been better for everyone".

I didn't need clarification, I wasn't confused about this part.

[AtorBoltox]

Could this hospital allegation be considered a modern day blood libel?

[AtorBoltox]

People need to be fired at the BBC and Reuters. Synagogues and embassies across the Middle East are being attacked because of their fake reporting.

[AtorBoltox]

Whoever made it it's an utterly stupid cartoon too. This conflict is the most covered in recent media history, and we see regular false pro-Palestinian reports like the recent "israel blew up a hospital' saga. The Tigray conflict, or Syria since 2016 is an actual example of a conflict with zero media coverage.

[AtorBoltox]

https://twitter.com/broseph_stalin/status/1725481914562121794

The BBC is not a credible source on this conflict. They have repeatedly echoed Hamas propaganda uncritically our outright made up fake news ('the IDF is targeting Arab speakers and doctors'.)

[AtorBoltox]

The problem with all the terrorist justification using things like "if a plane with a star of david dropped bombs on you for years, you'd be anti-Semitic too" is that one could use that same logic for 9/11- i.e. "if you survived 9/11, you'd be Islamophobic, too"

I think the more apt comparison is in Israel itself. Support for Hamas is justified as natural because of Israel's bombing, but the same logic is never applied in reverse when it easily could be - that the rise in support for the Israeli right and increasing lack of a care for a two state solution is in response to decades of suicide bombings, stabbings, and rocket attacks from Palestinians

[AtorBoltox]

The MSM is doing what it typically does which is names, smiling faces, ages, and emotion laden stories of individual Israeli hostages freed, not a single one of Palestinian prisoners freed, just numbers in passing. If I hadn't been blackpilled on the MSM already from Covid this would have done it.

Given what some of them were imprisoned for, reporting on the the individual stories of the Palestinian prisoners would only turn the west more in favour of Israel. I don't think you've really thought this idea through

[AtorBoltox]

Without changes of leadership on both sides, I think this conflict ultimately ends, sadly, with a mass expulsion of Palestinians from both Gaza and the West Bank.

Tbh this learned helplessness is a bit tiresome. The outside world *does* have the power to prevent Israel carrying out such a monstrous and utterly evil act, and should exercise it if necessary.

And yes, that may involve helping to force Netanyahu from power.

Didn't think advocating for CIA coups in sovereign nations was a thing socialists really did

[AtorBoltox]

https://twitter.com/samah_fadil/status/1740879555626246171?t=5Ej8IhbPbPR1qxQxuYI...

Israel is an incredibly racist society, despite the PR. Polls have shown over 50% of Israelis think Black Jews are a negative for their country.

I wonder if this soldier's family believe in 'from the river to the sea'

[AtorBoltox]

https://twitter.com/samah_fadil/status/1740879555626246171?t=5Ej8IhbPbPR1qxQxuYI...

Israel is an incredibly racist society, despite the PR. Polls have shown over 50% of Israelis think Black Jews are a negative for their country.

I wonder if this soldier's family believe in 'from the river to the sea'

I don't know if this source can be trusted in any way, but most black soldiers in the IDF are black Jews and would be likely to be fiercely patriotic.

I know, I was just drawing attention to how Horus doesn't actually care about this family or black Israeli's and is just using them as another cynical cudgel to try convince us the dismantling of Israel is just

[AtorBoltox]

The only correct take on this whole mess:

https://twitter.com/Ben_Davison1/status/1755532126374805908

I like how stuff like this always leave open implicitly that while it may not be all Jews, it is all Israelis

[AtorBoltox]

https://noticias.uol.com.br/internacional/ultimas-noticias/2024/02/21/estou-orgulhosa-das-ruinas-em-gaza-diz-ministra-da-igualdade-de-israel.htm

I am personally proud of the ruins in Gaza. May 80 years from now all babies be able to tell their grandchildren what the Jews did when they murdered their families, raped them and kidnapped their citizens!

May Golan, Israel's Minister of Social Equality (google translate PT->EN)

All is well in the Israeli government.

Sick stuff. Always remember, it is in the interest of the Israeli state to increase antisemitism outside of their borders as much as possible.

Agreed. It’s not the fault of anti semites that the good Jews are being targeted, the blame lies with the bad Jews provoking them

[AtorBoltox]

Can the pro-Palestine people please explain to me why Hamas should face no consequences for their actions?

Who says they shouldn't? I'm a Palestinian-American and want Hamas removed. But Israel could have done that with strike teams not indiscriminate bombings that has killed 20k women and children.

This take is particularly amusing. Yea, Israel should just send in their Avengers superhero squad who can  journey through hostile urban territory without a problem, disarm militant networks, rescue the hostages, and install a new political leadership in Gaza and make it home back to tel Aviv in time for dinner, all without causing any collateral damage. You really would have to believe the entirety of Israeli civil society is ontologically evil if you genuinely think they have these capabilities but instead have made the choice to carry out a months long military campaign, putting the lives of their own soldiers at risk, and for what reason? Kicks?

[AtorBoltox]

I like how we've gone from "Hamas' figures are totally believable, they've always been right, the UN [totally not riddled with Hamas sympathisers] said so."  to " Yeah Hamas lies through its teeth, but Israel bad".

Not a single person here has defended Hamas. Not one. And if they did, they were banned. But continue your strawman assertions.

I mean, there are many people on this forum who have said Israel should not have invaded Gaza. How is that different from defending Hamas?

Because in their minds if they never literally say the words 'I support Hamas' it means that isn't what they're doing, I guess

[AtorBoltox]

Fatah has been collaborating with the enemy since day 1, where is this nonsense that they haven’t started yet?

This is strange language for someone who 'doesn't support Hamas'

[AtorBoltox]

Israel violating UN resolution by dropping bombs on Rafah.

https://twitter.com/mhdksafa/status/1772780840134553885

No more weapons.

Unless the US has a way to get the hostages back, cutting off Israel won't stop the war, it will only escalate it. Biden knows this.

Israel doesn't need US weapons to starve the Palestinians.

Right, so why give them any more at all?

Because the closer Israel gets to being backed into a corner, the more is on the table.

Unless the US wants to get on the ground and liberate the hostages themselves, they would be very stupid to end their partnership with Israel.

At this point you people have convinced me we should have the same relationship with Israel that we have with North Korea.

Israel is the most likely country in the world to launch a renegade nuke and it's not remotely close.

No matter how much you try distance yourself from the ‘bad Jews’, your ‘friends’ do not care

[AtorBoltox]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

Israel can't possibly lose this war as long as it's still standing, because 10/7 laid the stakes clear. The goal is the bloody murder of every man, woman, and child in Israel, followed by that spurring global violence targeting diaspora Jewish communities. It shouldn't surprise anyone that any alternative is preferable to that.

. Israel has shown its, true colors to the world the origins of it's barbaric roots, how they have treated Palestinians for years following their purge by the incoming European Zionists. Hooray for the only "democracy" in the Middle East.

Yes, Israelis are ontologically evil, they can never redeem themselves from their original sin of killing Jesus the Nakba

[AtorBoltox]

They've lost the war regardless of what happens to Hamas.

'Rajapaska has lost the war regardless of what happens to the Tamil Tigers.'
'Assad has lost the war regardless of whatever happens to the FSA.'
Before some dumbass replies with 'so you're saying Israel is morally equivalent to Assad', I am not. Just pointing out these attempts to claim a 'moral victory' are only ever made by the party that's clearly lost.

[AtorBoltox]

If Russia had struck a convoy of aid workers who’d been trying to coordinate with the Russian government in Kherson, people would be calling for the US to send troops.

https://ukraine.un.org/en/259512-relentless-violence-against-aid-workers-must-stop
Please stop lying

[AtorBoltox]

The hostages may be dead, Hamas is definitely vile enough to kill them. Very possible. But why? They have every incentive to keep them alive, no valid reason to kill them.

Because making Jews suffer has always come before tactical considerations or anything else