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« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2015, 09:31:17 PM »

He has to realize he has a 0% chance of winning the nomination, right?

Like Pataki cares what the atlas consensus is Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2015, 10:46:26 AM »

Man, the first debate is gonna have 20 people on the stage.
It'll be... a circus!
And it'll be 3 or 4 hours long instead of the usual 1.5-2 hours.
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« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2015, 10:15:47 PM »

YES!!!
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2015, 07:41:20 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2015, 05:44:57 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2015, 05:46:39 PM by Wulfric »

What's keeping Warren supporters hopeful of a run?

1. Obama originally said he wouldn't run in 2008, and then changed his mind. (Of course, the change of heart came before April 2007 , but whatever)
2. She had to be drafted into the 2012 senate race.
3. Bill Clinton didn't enter the 1992 race until November 1991.

Also mentions that the supporters of Warren realize she doesn't want to run, but hope she will come around to recognizing that this really is her calling through the devoted draft effort.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/the-warren-fans-who-wont-take-no-for-an-answer/391131/

Edit: Obama actually started reconsidering his decision not to run in October 2006, making point 1 rather moot, as Warren has not begun reconsidering at all:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/22/AR2006102200220.html
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« Reply #30 on: May 03, 2015, 01:28:35 AM »

At the end of this article, it is mentioned that Pelosi is visiting New Hampshire this weekend:

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/240648-pelosi-welcomes-sanders-to-2016-race


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« Reply #31 on: May 06, 2015, 06:36:14 PM »


Wow. He seemed geniuely interested.
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« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2015, 09:42:35 PM »


Spoiler: He will lose the nomination.
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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2015, 11:17:18 AM »

YAY!
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2015, 05:25:26 PM »


Why does Perry have this uncontrollable compulsion for self humiliation? And just who is going to give him any money this time?

He thinks he's learned his lessons from his 2012 campaign and can win this time.
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« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2015, 12:46:41 AM »

Chafee is the biggest joke candidate in the history of joke candidates. Your average county board member has more gravitas than him. It's remarkable he's ever been elected to anything.

Surely at least one of Carly Fiornia, Donald Trump, or Ben Carson is more of a joke.

Carson is not really a joke candidate. The guy is LEADING in GA. Even Trump is polling fifth or so in New Hampshire. Fiorina is the only one of those three who appears to be a complete joke, but even she would get the nomination before that governor from New York with like 12% name recognition. What was his name again? Georgina Pataka or something?
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« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2015, 02:49:59 AM »

Chafee is the biggest joke candidate in the history of joke candidates. Your average county board member has more gravitas than him. It's remarkable he's ever been elected to anything.

Surely at least one of Carly Fiornia, Donald Trump, or Ben Carson is more of a joke.

Carson is not really a joke candidate. The guy is LEADING in GA. Even Trump is polling fifth or so in New Hampshire. Fiorina is the only one of those three who appears to be a complete joke, but even she would get the nomination before that governor from New York with like 12% name recognition. What was his name again? Georgina Pataka or something?

Just because a guy has a lot of support doesn't mean he isn't a joke candidate. How many joke candidate where the frontrunner at some point in 2012?

I define a joke candidate as someone who is essentially hopeless in terms of getting the nomination, not someone who is simply inexperienced or unelectable in the GE. Bachmann in say, November 2011, would have qualified. She wouldn't have qualified in august when she was winning the ames straw poll. Carson may qualify in the future, but he doesn't for now.
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2015, 12:34:14 AM »


I stand by my prediction that he has a 0% chance (not close to 0, but real, actual zero) of winning the nomination. But still, welcome to the race, Mr. Pataki.
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2015, 04:42:30 PM »

Kasich is visiting GA and SC this week and seems close to entering:
http://huff.to/1ReJupB
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« Reply #39 on: May 25, 2015, 12:51:55 AM »


I stand by my prediction that he has a 0% chance (not close to 0, but real, actual zero) of winning the nomination. But still, welcome to the race, Mr. Pataki.

He'd actually be in a good position if Jeb, Christie and Kasich all collapse (especially since the more conservative wing will be even more divided). He might force his way onto the ticket with a solid performance in New Hampshire at a minimum.

Pataki is a shoe-in once Jeb, Walker, Paul, Carson, Christie, Fiorina, Kasich, Cruz, Huckabee, Rubio, and Perry collapse.

Cruz, Huckabee, Carson, and Perry are fighting for a different base of voters, so Pataki only has to win the Moderate primary (plausible) and then win against the Conservative Primary's winner and Rand Paul (much less likely) to get the nomination.

I'd rate his chances at about 10%, same as Fiorina, ahead of Perry, and just behind Kasich.

Fiorina has a 10% chance at the nomination? LOLOLOLOL
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« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2015, 01:47:27 AM »

Warren still refusing to endorse Hillary:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/herald_bulldog/2015/05/warren_undecided_on_who_shell_back_in_2016_race

RUN WARREN RUN!
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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2015, 11:10:57 AM »

Bush to make decision after early June foreign trip:
http://www.cnn.com//2015/05/31/politics/jeb-bush-decision-presidential-run/index.html
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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2015, 09:38:04 PM »

If Bush does not run, it will be the biggest surprise since Roberts winning by 11 in 2014.
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« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2015, 08:12:12 PM »

Trump says he won't do the Iowa straw poll if (almost) everyone else backs out. Also sounds like a candidate throughout this transcribed interview:
http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/06/01/trump-i-wont-do-iowa-straw-poll-if-everyone-backs-out/
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« Reply #44 on: June 09, 2015, 09:05:16 PM »

I mean, his family members have to realize he has no shot of winning the nomination, right? Right?
Christie has an opening if Bush, Rubio, and Walker all implode.
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« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2015, 07:11:07 PM »

How exactly are we defining "outpouring of support?"

One Voter:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=214263.0
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« Reply #46 on: June 14, 2015, 01:30:01 AM »

Walker tells FOX he'll announce in about a month. He's also coming up here to Canada for a governors/premiers confab and meeting Harper.



I just hope he's not waiting too late.  I can appreciate that he wants to finish his job as governor with the budget, but I think hopping into the race a month before the first debate is a little risky.  Anyone else agree?

Not to mention the last national poll has him at 7%

You're thinking of either an older poll or a statewide poll. The last National Poll has Walker tied for 2nd with Carson at 10%. Bush and Huckabee are tied for first at 12%:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=214344.0
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« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2015, 04:47:18 PM »

Announcement Schedule Update:

Jindal: June 24
Christie: "this month"
Walker: July 13
Kasich: "this summer"
Ehrlich, Gilmore, King: Huh

Webb: "within the next two weeks"
Biden: "by Aug. 1"
Bloomberg, DeBlasio: Huh
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« Reply #48 on: June 17, 2015, 06:23:17 PM »

Announcement Schedule Update:

Jindal: June 24
Christie: "this month"
Walker: July 13
Kasich: "this summer"
Ehrlich, Gilmore, King: Huh

Webb: "within the next two weeks"
Biden: "by Aug. 1"
Bloomberg, DeBlasio: Huh

Not quite.  For example, Webb said "within two weeks" when there were exactly two weeks left in June.  Kasich and King also said they'd decide by the end of this month.  So it's:

Jindal: June 24
Christie, Kasich, King, Webb: will "decide" by the end of June, though I suppose the actual announcement might slip into early July
Walker: July 13
Biden: by Aug. 1
Ehrlich, Gilmore, Palin: unknown

AFAIK, neither Bloomberg nor DeBlasio have said that they're thinking about running, so not sure why they would be listed.3


There is apparently an effort in some democratic circles to draft Bloomberg, and DeBlasio gets included in a primary poll every so often.
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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2015, 01:14:10 AM »

Current Predictions:

Running:

Jindal
Walker
Christie
Kasich
Gilmore
Webb

Not Running:

Ehrlich
King
Palin
Bloomberg
DeBlasio
Biden


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