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« on: February 08, 2016, 11:52:40 AM »

He has some points. Sanders is just promising the world to his base with no real plan of how to actually get it done - Especially with a very high likelihood of having a Republican House at the very least. A 'revolution' is just a cop-out - It's like Republicans saying trickle-down economics will eventually produce some meager wealth for the plebeians at the bottom. They have no idea when, or even IF the commoners will benefit from the wealthy's tax breaks, but they do it anyway. Likewise, Sanders has no earthly idea IF his little revolution will even happen (it most likely will not), but he goes ahead and promises everything to his base anyway to further his own goals.

If you ask me, he is doing the people a disservice. If he were to get elected, his supporters will realize relatively quick that he can't deliver at all and will probably become disillusioned for some years - Let down because they were convinced by Sanders that he could get so much done even with everything around him pointing to it not happening.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2016, 12:11:52 PM »

He has already given all details which IMO are pretty pessimistic. His IT increases on income above 250K with the small payroll taxes on everyone will raise more than enough for Healthcare. Go read his tax brackets from 39% to 52%.

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No. I was talking about how he plans to actually get his proposals passed in a divided or GOP Congress. You completely misinterpreted my post.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2016, 01:00:42 PM »
« Edited: February 08, 2016, 01:04:54 PM by Virginia »

He's worked across the aisle with Republicans on a few issues, but to be fair I don't see Bernie or Hillary being successful at pushing anything through Congress if it's still divided.

For Clinton and the best situation with a divided Congress, the most I can see is possibly some mediocre form of paid leave - Something clearly recognizable as having been tainted by pro-business conservative politicians, though. Anything else would likely be small in both nature and impact on the budget (including infrastructure dev)

While I agree Sanders has worked on some issues like that before, he would probably be like Obama on steroids to the Republicans. Significantly more liberal and more aggressive about it, while actually being a type of socialist (rather than Obama just being called that). The GOP would go absolutely 100% crazy over his election. McConnell would be uttering "Our number one priority is to make Sanders a one term president" in his sleep incessantly.

However, all things considered, Sanders achieving any of the proposals his supporters drool over is completely out of the question. They would probably remember him as that nice guy who failed to achieve anything despite making it all seem possible.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 11:58:32 AM »

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Republicans would not support either Bernie or Hillary but they hate Hillary even more. He will get the Judges anyways & main key is to win the house & the senate, which he has clearly said is his focus - a 50 strategy & the house & the senate. He has said to his supporters that unless he gets those, he would not be able to achieve those.

And I believe Democrats will have the house & the senate under his leadership & implement a vast majority of his proposals. Hillary will loose the house & the senate & the Republicans would not either people's bill.

Hell, they hate the affordable care more than anything else!

Wow, look at you! You have it all figured out. Why do we even need polls or analysts and such when you have the answers. Clearly Hillary will lose everything no matter what and Sanders will WIN IT ALL!

You must be one of those guys who finds a candidate he really likes and then invests so much confidence in them that you think it's impossible that his win doesn't result in anything less than a national political renaissance that changes everything.
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