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« on: July 26, 2015, 04:52:36 PM »
« edited: August 28, 2015, 04:45:40 PM by politicus »

Its happening...


Well, at least according to Wiki. No English language confirmation yet.

EDIT: It was speculation - but I will keep this open. The chance of an autumn election is high.
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 05:30:41 PM »

Any there going to be any SYRIZA break aways competing?
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« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 05:42:46 PM »

Here's the Greek article. Google Translate seems to say that Tsipras will call that election if and when he reaches an agreement by Aug. 18.
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« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 05:45:15 PM »
« Edited: August 20, 2015, 02:30:59 PM by Tetro Kornbluth »

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2015, 07:07:08 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2015, 06:55:10 PM »

New Kontra poll shows Syriza steady, but the bad guys gaining.

Syriza 41.2
ND 23.1
Potami 7.9
XA 7.3
KKE 6.5
ANEL 5.1
Pasok 3.7 
Others 5.2
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2015, 07:12:49 PM »

The Kontra poll compared to the January election.

Syriza: +4.9
ND: -4.8
Potami: +1.8
XA: +1.0
KKE: +1.0
ANEL: +0.3
Pasok: -1.0

The main thing is that Syriza has gained at the expense of ND.  The others don't really have significant movement. 
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2015, 07:21:51 PM »

Should be noted that the Union of Centrists (seems like a petsonal cult that's been chugging for a while) are being included in polls and regularly top the threshold.

KIDISO for what is worth may merge back with PASOK. The new leader spoke of reconciliation with the dissident group.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2015, 07:26:18 PM »

The Kontra poll compared to the January election.

Syriza: +4.9
ND: -4.8
Potami: +1.8
XA: +1.0
KKE: +1.0
ANEL: +0.3
Pasok: -1.0

The main thing is that Syriza has gained at the expense of ND.  The others don't really have significant movement. 

The interesting thing is what has happend since EU bend Tsipras arm and forced him to implement austerity. Comparing with the election at this point is uninteresting.

The ND drop to a lower level when they lost the "stop Syriza" crowd is old news.
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« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2015, 07:45:08 AM »

Tsipras will call an election later today for sometime next month or early October.
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« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2015, 10:15:31 AM »

Sept. 20 is likeliest E-Day.
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« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2015, 10:24:59 AM »


Okay, I will go with that. It can always be changed back.
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2015, 11:05:36 AM »


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« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2015, 12:37:17 PM »


It sure is. Only problem is, we have no idea what is happening.
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« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2015, 12:53:32 PM »

He just announced his resignation.
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2015, 01:07:58 PM »
« Edited: August 20, 2015, 01:11:34 PM by DavidB. »

Can't think of a government term that has failed worse than Tsipras'. Won the elections as the new Greek king with all kinds of promises, went on a tour through Europe as if he's Lady Gaga, and then got zero respect in the EU. Promised to change things, promised to make lives better, promised Greece not to be humiliated anymore, yet a few months later he staunchly defended the biggest austerity package Greece has ever seen. Books will be written about this U-turn. I thought I understood his strategy when he called the referendum: let the people decide to leave the eurozone, and then start again at point zero. I think he realized that the consequences would be too risky for Greece, that the consequences would hurt too many people - but he realized it too late. Of course, it was an even bigger mistake to think the other EU countries would show some compassion. I think of Tsipras as a person who genuinely wanted to do good, but who found out that reality sometimes doesn't work that way, even if it should. The "Syriza experience" will probably be another blow to many Greeks, who wanted change. This will make even more Greeks cynical about democracy, which deeply saddens me (and which will come with political consequences absolutely nobody will like). There are no winners, only losers in this story.
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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2015, 01:33:20 PM »

He's not resigning for good. He's dissolving parliament and calling new elections, will stay on as caretaker until he's sworn in after (presumably) being reelected.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2015, 01:56:08 PM »

No, the Supreme Court president is caretaker PM.
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2015, 02:01:53 PM »

ND leader will make a pro forma attempt at forming a government. Left Platform meeting tonight to decide on their next move.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2015, 03:38:55 PM »

How much of this mess is down to the "winners bonus" rule they have in Greece of giving the winner of the election an extra fifty seats?
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2015, 04:42:23 PM »

No, the Supreme Court president is caretaker PM.

Is that so? Strange. Why did he resign, in that case?
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2015, 05:58:08 PM »

Can't think of a government term that has failed worse than Tsipras'. Won the elections as the new Greek king with all kinds of promises, went on a tour through Europe as if he's Lady Gaga, and then got zero respect in the EU. Promised to change things, promised to make lives better, promised Greece not to be humiliated anymore, yet a few months later he staunchly defended the biggest austerity package Greece has ever seen. Books will be written about this U-turn. I thought I understood his strategy when he called the referendum: let the people decide to leave the eurozone, and then start again at point zero. I think he realized that the consequences would be too risky for Greece, that the consequences would hurt too many people - but he realized it too late. Of course, it was an even bigger mistake to think the other EU countries would show some compassion. I think of Tsipras as a person who genuinely wanted to do good, but who found out that reality sometimes doesn't work that way, even if it should. The "Syriza experience" will probably be another blow to many Greeks, who wanted change. This will make even more Greeks cynical about democracy, which deeply saddens me (and which will come with political consequences absolutely nobody will like). There are no winners, only losers in this story.

He's got Syriza +4% in the polls and his party is still (loosely) united despite members voting against what is effectively law written outside of the country's policy making process. They would still rather support him than let ND take the +50 bonus seats.

Tsipras will be PM for another 5 more years. Then, and only then, will we be able to judge him. Because all he has done in six months is negotiate. Had any alternative been presented with victory there wouldn't even be negotiation. So he is for the moment viewed as a success. In Greece, anyway.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2015, 04:52:28 AM »

25 Syriza MPs defect to create a new movement called "Popular Unity". Konstantopolou and Varoufakis didn't join them, for the moment at least. That makes it the third largest parliamentary group.
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2015, 05:06:54 AM »

How much of this mess is down to the "winners bonus" rule they have in Greece of giving the winner of the election an extra fifty seats?

Well, if there was no winners bonus, no one would be able to form a government because SYRIZA, the Communists, and Golden Dawn together have a majority.
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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2015, 05:54:26 AM »

I assume this time EK should make it over the 3% threshold and KIDISO will merge back into PASOK.  I wonder if DIMAR will merge into PASOK or SYRIZA this time around ?
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