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I don't think we have ever had a Presidential undervote on a scale any bigger than a few hundred counties nationwide.

An abomination

I assume the Libertarians will do the actual nominating tomorrow?

Honestly, many didn't take the threat of Trump appointing Justices very seriously. And now look where we're at.

Once again, Clinton doesn't give a f*** anymore, and she has more than earned that right. I addmire it.

Exactly. None of this was ever about Hillary Clinton but about the stability of the nation. Too many voters wanted to stick it to Clinton as opposed to doing what was right for the country. Now some of those people will holler impeach the conservative justices which is impossible.

And history might just be repeating itself with Biden now. They'll regret that too if Trump gets elected and appoints up to three more Justices. It doesn't have to happen!

Probably because being white in American culture is now publicly derided, and more importantly, makes one ineligible for a variety of benefits and scholarships. Arabs used to be fight to be legally white. Now they push for “MENA” category so they can get federal dollars in various programs and count for affirmative action and diversity. Hispanics also don’t want to ID as white and lose their benefits. People respond to economic incentives.

Caucasians receive 72% of all scholarships. It's always to see how people live in this fantasy world where white Americans are being deprived of anything.

Wasn't this already true in 2020?

Anyways, Trump tends to absolutely crush it with that whole group of voters in the Midwest who are pro-choice but also massively into White grievance politics. Still, I expect there to be a leftwards trend compared to the rest of the country for many of the reasons you stated.

Something that goes understated is Trump's potential gains among non-White rural voters. We hear a lot about non-White urban voters, but there's massive potential upside for Trump with working class rural non-White men in the South and Southwest.

In 2020 most of rural America swung right outside the northeast, albeit by a significantly smaller magnitude than 2016.

Agree with Grievance politics but that’s kind of my point - the type of friends politics has shifted away from rural white grievance politics into something else that’s hard to label.

Your point about nonwhites in rural America is interesting because I think many underestimate just how much of rural America today in 20-40% nonwhite, especially in the southern half of the US.

Instead of banking on court packing or waiting for some of them to die - maybe it's better to just create a culture of paranoia that paralyzes the court.

Any other creepy authoritarian ideas you have? Curious what else you'd love done to force your politics on others.

I think it would be brilliant to make conservatives on the court so miserable and uncomfortable that they resign.

I mean, that sounds like a form of social terrorism designed to force left wing views on the Court. Why stop at the Court, in that case? It seems you're not okay with people of different views being allowed to have them. So let's hear some more ideas

This court is forcing radical ideas on the entire country. They can take their views to their churches and practice them in private. Throwing around the word terrorism is very silly.

Honestly, many didn't take the threat of Trump appointing Justices very seriously. And now look where we're at.

Once again, Clinton doesn't give a f*** anymore, and she has more than earned that right. I addmire it.

Exactly. None of this was ever about Hillary Clinton but about the stability of the nation. Too many voters wanted to stick it to Clinton as opposed to doing what was right for the country. Now some of those people will holler impeach the conservative justices which is impossible.

So we should give into hostage demands for a dumb person not happy making six figures and wanting to make seven figures but not respond at all to a gang that killed another dumb person who was actually trying to help people .

These two situations are not really comparable.

In the case of Griner, she was arrested by a foreign government because that government wanted to use her as leverage to extract demands. We can (and did) secure her release.

These missionaries were killed by a gang either out of sadism or as collateral damage in an attack against someone else. We cannot bring them back to life, so any response would just be about getting revenge.

Imagine actually believing Biden was right to free one of the most dangerous and prolific arms dealers in the world in exchange for some basketball player who couldn’t wait till she got back to the US to get high

At least these folks were, misguided or not, actually there to try and help people.  Some folks have really been dropping the mask in this thread. 

What is bombing Haiti going to solve? Nothing. Biden was right to do what he could to secure the release of an American citizen. Just because she's Black and LGBTQ doesn't mean her life isn't of as much value as White Christian missionaries.

The US protects it's citizens by issuing travel advisories through the state department. If one doesn't follow them then they risk their lives.

1) Bombing gang strongholds and doing drone strikes on gang leaders would act as a deterrent in much the way that Mexican cartels are far more cautious than they used to be about targeting Americans (even if it still happens every once in a while, it is nowhere near as bad as it was).

2) What does Griner’s skin color, religion, or sexual orientation have to do with any of this?  She’s a random basketball player who got arrested because she lacked the self-control to wait to get high until she was out of Russia.  I’m sorry, but her staying out of jail simply was not worth releasing one of the most dangerous arms dealers in the world.  Even if she’d done nothing wrong and Russia had threatened to execute her (neither of which was the case), it still wouldn’t be worth it.  Tons of innocent people will die for decades to come because of Biden’s screw up on that.

3) I’m pretty sure there was a travel advisory for Russia and either way, she had no business being there nor did any other American civilian (not counting reporters, of course).  

The far-right has a huge issue with Griner being released and it's always been clear why. Somehow Black people always get brought up as a comparison for everything and I'm tired of it. Anyway, Haiti is not being bombed regardless of who the targets are because Biden isn't stupid enough to do that. There are innocent people in gang strongholds that don't deserve to get hurt.

At least he's hiring people and not ripping them off.