SENATE BILL: Active Vice Presidency Amendment (Tabled)

[Napoleon]

I do plan to make some modifications to this, but please voice any concerns or ideas you may have.

[Napoleon]

Not sure about the rest, but Clauses 1 and 2 would require an amendment to the OSPR as well to be effectuated.

I don't know if the first two clauses are necessary. If they aren't I'd prefer to get rid of them.

[Napoleon]

The changes will be ready soon, the dual-office holding problem is covered with these changes too so don't worry about that.

[Napoleon]

Saying it's absurd doesn't make it absurd. Do you make it a point to oppose everything I do or argue with anything I say for no real reason? If that isn't the case, you would do well to actually post why instead of, well, nothing.

[Napoleon]

Antonio gave constructive criticism not born out of a personal vendetta that involves personal attacks and following me around.

I don't see how this takes away choice from the President. He gets to choose his VP and he gets to choose which position to appoint him to. The GM would not be available for the VP. How could it not encourage activity? You can't delegate Cabinet powers to the PPT. The veep would actually have something to do within the executive other than sit and wait. It works just fine in New Jersey. If voters don't trust the President to put the VP in an acceptable positions, that would fall on the ticket, not my amendment. Maybe we will see more competitive elections because of it. Lord knows we need it. Polnut got around 64% I believe.

[Napoleon]

I am using your (admittedly flawed) definition of personal vendetta. It is interesting that 30 minutes ago making the VP able to be a Cabinet member was absurd and now it is something you could "totally get behind". Since I haven't yet introduced my amended version, perhaps you will save your criticism for a more appropriate time. The amendment as it stands currently would not even get my vote.

[Napoleon]

Shua, my changes address those concersns. Give me an hour and you all can review what I have changed.

[Napoleon]

1. The Vice President may simultaneously serve as Attorney General, Secretary of Federal Elections, Registrar General, Secretary of Internal Affairs, or Secretary of External Affairs upon appointment by the President.
2. Upon appointment to one of the aforementioned Cabinet position, the Vice President will be subject to the same confirmation process as any other nominee would.
3. The Vice President shall retain the option to preside over the Senate and the power to break ties in the Senate.
4. In the event that the Vice President resigns, he or she shall retain his or her Cabinet position unless resignation from that position is announced.
5. In the event that the Vice President is forcibly removed from office, he or she shall forfeit his or her Cabinet position automatically.

[Napoleon]

This is already a constitutional amendment but I couldn't find the parts of the constitution this effectively changes. If anyone knows, please post here or PM me. I don't think the President can fire the VP from his elected position so that shouldn't be an issue.

But thanks Ben

[Napoleon]

To the contrary, our most able and effective leaders are deterred from accepting the role of next in line to the Presidency due to the veep's boring and limited role in governing. One would have to dedicate four to eight months of doing very little if elected VP.

For example, former VP Kalwejt drafted the initial version of this amendment and would agree that the position could use improvement.

[Napoleon]

Idea: As a compromise, why not give the President the option to appoint the Vice President to a cabinet position (essentially giving the VP the ability for dual office-holding). So instead of making it a requirement, just make it an option.

Might want to read it again...

[Napoleon]

1. The Vice President may simultaneously serve as Attorney General, Secretary of Federal Elections, Registrar General, Secretary of Internal Affairs, or Secretary of External Affairs upon appointment by the President.
2. Upon appointment to one of the aforementioned Cabinet position, the Vice President will be subject to the same confirmation process as any other nominee would.
3. The Vice President shall retain the option to preside over the Senate and the power to break ties in the Senate.
4. In the event that the Vice President resigns, he or she shall retain his or her Cabinet position unless resignation from that position is announced.
5. In the event that the Vice President is forcibly removed from office, he or she shall forfeit his or her Cabinet position automatically.

[Napoleon]

I'm not forgetting...Article VII, Section 1 doesn't mention the President or a veto.

That being said, I disagree with your proposed compromise. However, the problem you pointed out earlier remains something I'm looking into. If anyone else has ideas, please chime in.

I wouldn't think it too objectionable to create a system to accommodate this little wrinkle. We should remember that many positions don't require much activity on a consistent basis and that a leave of absence should never be too long-- only four month terms after all.

[Napoleon]

Maybe the Game Reform Commission can chime into the debate

[Napoleon]

What about this:

Changing DSoFE to a fill-in position for any cabinet office as needed?

The VP could be given an official Cabinet level position or the fill in position. It kills two birds I want dead with one bill. The Deputy position can then put his or her skills to work as needed.

Thoughts?

[Napoleon]

Your idea is good, too, Polnut. Hopefully others can add to this: all of Atlasia will be effected, and be able to vote on this if it passes the Senate.

I am so glad the stupid bickering is finished and I can get back to my old self.

[Napoleon]

The GM positions is excluded already for that reason.

[Napoleon]

Are you going to help find the round peg, then, or are we going to leave an empty hole?

[Napoleon]

Well since the debate has seized up, I think it's time for a little lubrication.


Hey, if you can't beat....

If you can't beat, try Viagra?

Look guys I need to know what kind of compromise can be reached. We are here to debate and legislate, not give simple opinions better saved for expression during a final vote. Please be constructive.

[Napoleon]

What about when the SoIA or AG, etc. takes time off?

[Napoleon]

Vice President Bacon King, are you reading Kalwejt's proposal or mine? It sounds like you are talking about Kalwejt's because mine addresses much of what you seem to be concerned about.

[Napoleon]

I'd like to table this.

In a few days I will introduce my more well receaived idea but no reason to waste space on the Senate floor.

Thank you to those who participated in a debate focused on finding the best possible solution. That is what I sought in assuming sponsorship.

[Napoleon]

Aye