Quebec General Election 2012 (4th September)

[MaxQue]

That's disgusting race-baiting.

[MaxQue]

That's disgusting race-baiting.

What is?

The previous post. Sure, I suppose than language-baiting is more accurate, but I doubt it's a word.

[MaxQue]

That's disgusting race-baiting.

What is?

The previous post. Sure, I suppose than language-baiting is more accurate, but I doubt it's a word.

It was intended to mock Marois as being on par with oppressive dictators, not attacking anyone per se. Apologies if it was offensive.

Well, Marois takes her positions because they is a public for that.
In any case, despite the Anglo opposition to language laws, the Franco population overwhelmingly support them.

[MaxQue]

That's disgusting race-baiting.

What is?

The previous post. Sure, I suppose than language-baiting is more accurate, but I doubt it's a word.

It was intended to mock Marois as being on par with oppressive dictators, not attacking anyone per se. Apologies if it was offensive.

Well, Marois takes her positions because they is a public for that.
In any case, despite the Anglo opposition to language laws, the Franco population overwhelmingly support them.

Oh my! I wonder why that might be!

Historical reasons. The Anglophone minority ruled the economy of Québec until the 60's (for example, it was very hard to get a loan if you were French, the access to the high-ranking positions in businesses was blocked because they didn't talked English, many businesses were working in English only and customers were insulted if they talked French and were refused to be served....). Let's let than the Anglo minority abused their power and than this is the coilback.

[MaxQue]

That's disgusting race-baiting.

What is?

The previous post. Sure, I suppose than language-baiting is more accurate, but I doubt it's a word.

It was intended to mock Marois as being on par with oppressive dictators, not attacking anyone per se. Apologies if it was offensive.

Well, Marois takes her positions because they is a public for that.
In any case, despite the Anglo opposition to language laws, the Franco population overwhelmingly support them.

Oh my! I wonder why that might be!

Historical reasons. The Anglophone minority ruled the economy of Québec until the 60's (for example, it was very hard to get a loan if you were French, the access to the high-ranking positions in businesses was blocked because they didn't talked English, many businesses were working in English only and customers were insulted if they talked French and were refused to be served....). Let's let than the Anglo minority abused their power and than this is the coilback.

That was sarcasm. It seems obvious to me that Francophones would support language laws that are meant to benefit only them.

Do you really think "coilback" is a legitimate justification for laws that, whatever their intended purposes, impose a significant burden on minorities?

There is no significant burden on minorities. Sure, it may require people to learn French, but honestly, it's logical to someone which immigrate in US to learn English. It's also logical for someone who immigrate in Quebec to learn French.

[MaxQue]

Well, no. Only New Brunswick is a bilingual province. All other provinces have only English as official language. While Canada is bilingual, the provinces are not.

[MaxQue]

Well, no. Only New Brunswick is a bilingual province. All other provinces have only English as official language. While Canada is bilingual, the provinces are not.

Well, yes. Again, the folks in the rest of Canada aren't going to be happy having to live under forced bilingualism at the federal level when the Province of Quebec systematically strips the democratic rights of English-only speakers there.

The rest of Canada is clearly not bilingual. Most of the English Canada is talking English only and its next to impossible to get any service or anything in French.
And no democratic right of non-French speakers is stripped. We even have most Quebec government forms in English, while some English provinces don't bother to translate their forms to French.

[MaxQue]

How's it looking in Sherbrooke? Is Jean Charest pretty screwed? There have been two polls released showing him down double digits so I wanted to know if he's seriously in danger or if he could still pull it out.

Let's say than Charest won't win by a big margin. If he wins, that will be quite close.

[MaxQue]

Well, no. Only New Brunswick is a bilingual province. All other provinces have only English as official language. While Canada is bilingual, the provinces are not.

Well, yes. Again, the folks in the rest of Canada aren't going to be happy having to live under forced bilingualism at the federal level when the Province of Quebec systematically strips the democratic rights of English-only speakers there.

The rest of Canada is clearly not bilingual. Most of the English Canada is talking English only and its next to impossible to get any service or anything in French.
And no democratic right of non-French speakers is stripped.

The proposal, as I understand it, is to strip non-French speakers of the right to stand for office. Standing for office is clearly one of the fundamental democratic rights.

Oh, I was talking of current laws. Well, that law is clearly unconstitutionnal and will be throw out by courts and PQ knows it.
It's the purpose. To make the Québec look like a victim of a terrible English court.

I don't agree with that proposal, neither with the idea of Quebec "citizenship".
But, yes, if Quebec ever become a country, a Quebec citizenship will be obviously created and talking French could clearly be a condition to be given it. It wouldn't be the first country with such law.

[MaxQue]

Heard on radio, the Léger-QMI poll.

PQ: 33
CAQ: 28
PLQ: 27

[MaxQue]

Charest is so desperate for Francophone votes he pulled a leaf out of the NDP/BQ playbook and asked for the language laws to be extended federally but then flip-flopped in the space of 24 hours.

No, he took a page of the CAQ/ADQ book. Flip-floping all the time.

[MaxQue]

http://www.segmarecherche.ca/Sondages.html

They are the one who did Sherbrooke and Granby.
They apparently polled the 5 Sagnenay-Lac-Saint-Jean ridings.

So, since they contain all the results for all parties:

Sherbrooke:
PQ 46, PLQ-Charest 31, CAQ 11, QS 6, ON 2, Green 2

Granby:
CAQ-incumbent 49, PQ 24, PLQ 16, QS 7, Green 3, ON 1

Lac-Saint-Jean:
PQ-incumbent 59, CAQ 18, PLQ 17, QS 3, Green 1, ON 1

Chicoutimi:
PQ-incumbent 53, PLQ 21, CAQ 19, QS 5, ON 1

Dubuc:
PQ 44, PLQ-incumbent 32, CAQ 18, QS 4, ON 1

Roberval:
PQ-incumbent 53, PLQ 26, CAQ 14, QS 5

Jonquière:
PQ-incumbent 51, PLQ 20, CAQ 17, QS 6, Green 2, ON 1

Segma did 8 polls since then

Sherbrooke, again:
PQ 45 (-1), PLQ-Charest 33 (+2), CAQ 10 (-1), QS 7 (+1), ON 3 (+1), Green 2

Trois-Rivières (riding of the PQ candidate Djamilla Benhabib, which got in a fight with the hyper-catholic and outdated mayor of Saguenay, Jean Tremblay)
PQ 36, PLQ(incumbent) 30, CAQ 18, QS 8, ON 4, Others 4

Saint-Maurice (PQ held seat, incumbent retiring)
PQ 42, PLQ 26, CAQ 22, QS 5, ON 2, Bertrand 2
We also learn than the federal MP, Lise St-Denis, the NDP to Liberal turncoat has 22-57 approvals.

Lévis
CAQ 41 (Legault said than he will be appointed Finance minister), PLQ 27 (incumbent), PQ 18, QS 10, ON 2, Other 2

Louis-Hébert
PLQ 35 (incumbent, minister), CAQ 30, PQ 26, QS 5, ON 2, Others 2

Hull
PLQ 39, PQ 30, QS 14 (the victim of the Shawinigan handshake), CAQ 12, ON 3, Greens 1, Others 1

Papineau (liberal seat since decades, in Outaouais, incumbent retiring)
PQ 36, PLQ 27, CAQ 20, QS 11, ON 3, Others 3
Hard to believe.

Taschereau (Quebec downtown)
PQ 41 (incumbent), PLQ 19 (minister for economical development, currently MNA in Montreal), QS 16, CAQ 16, ON 7, Others 1

[MaxQue]

Taschereau (Quebec downtown)
PQ 41 (incumbent), PLQ 19 (minister for economical development, currently MNA in Montreal), QS 16, CAQ 16, ON 7, Others 1

A few pages earlier on this thread I thought it had been said that Québec was quite a conservative city, so I don't really understand. Could someone tell me who represents Québec now, downtown and suburbs, and what have been the evolutions recently ? Because PQ at 41, QS at 16 and ON at 7 doesn't seem to make that a conservative place...

The downtown is where the poor neighbourhoods and the university are, if I remember well.
That riding doesn't vote at all like the other ones.

[MaxQue]

The last Léger poll is in.

PQ 33, CAQ 28, PLQ 27, so, the same thing than their last poll.

http://fr.canoe.ca/infos/quebeccanada/politiqueprovinciale/archives/2012/09/20120902-010702.html

Others points.

Franco vote. PQ leads CAQ by 7, PLQ at 18%.
The PQ vote is the hardest one, 85% of voters are sure about their choice.
Apparently, CAQ leads in Lanaudière, PQ in Laurentides.

[MaxQue]

Election is tomorrow ? Well, let's cross fingers. PQ might not be great, but Charest ought to be kicked out.

Yes, election is tomorrow.
Usually, elections are on Monday, but today is Labor Day.

[MaxQue]

Great work, Earl!

When will we start to see results? To save me doing a timezones calculation, would someone mind posting along the lines of "in so many hours?"

At 8PM, Eastern, so, in 17 hours (it's currently 3AM, Eastern).

[MaxQue]

On its Twitter account, Ekos also releashed a poll

PQ 36.0, CAQ 24.5, PLQ 23.2, QS 10.7, Others 5.5.

[MaxQue]

Not doing a detailled prediction, because I really have no clue about various Montreal suburbs, but I predict a PQ majority, given than the electors dislike minority governments.
That should be enough for a 0.5-1% swing, which should be enough to push them over the 63-seats line.

I don't believe the Forum poll, two weeks ago, they had Liberals leading by 6 over PQ!

[MaxQue]

Someone asked for links to livestreams earlier.

I'm not sure when they'll go live, but here they are:

CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebecvotes2012

CTV: http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.941210

Is there any website where election results can be seen on the whole riding map as they come in? I remember there was a website with such a map during the Alberta election.

Its CBC which does that, but their result page isn't up yet.

[MaxQue]

Great, it's the first time I can watch the election night of an North American election without it being awfully late ! West Coast rocks !

Does anyone have a french-speaking livestream ? Not because of understanding issues, but just because I want to hear some Québecois accent.

http://www.radio-canada.ca/elections-quebec-2012/tableau-de-bord

[MaxQue]

I know it's way too early to be projecting, but it's not totally-random-garbage early, and leading in only 11 of 27 when the only Montreal seat with any results is Bourget doesn't exactly scream "PQ majority".

Now, they grew to 17.

[MaxQue]

I remember to people than most votes being published now is mostly early vote, which lean Liberal.

[MaxQue]

Iles-de-la-Madeleine has changed quite a bit, too. PQ now ahead by two votes, whereas earlier polls were quite strong for the PLQ. Is it that polarised?

One of the islands is Anglophone.

[MaxQue]

The shooter also started a fire behind that arena.
Finally, the building wasn't evacuated and Marios insisted to come back finish her speech.

[MaxQue]

The fire was apparently caused by an explosion, so, it is called a bombing by the press.
The bomber shouted, in French, with an English accent, "The English are waking up", media is reporting.