Democrats: What would you do about Gorsuch?

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Filibuster until cloture is invoked or there isn't a filibuster any more.

[publicunofficial]

Let's not keep escalating this, or we won't have a government.

If you were genuinely outraged over Garland... Trump is many things, but he wasn't one of those blocking Garland.

Let's not become hypocrites.

Instead of progressives getting a sudden surprise majority, we are keeping the ideological status quo. Not the end of the world.

Spoken like a spineless Dem.

It's not spineless.

It's being the party of good governance. Of responsible adults.

Republicans are the party of obstruction, and they get away with it because they always talk about how bad government is and how it should be cut.

Not only that, what do you say to the charge of hypocrisy?

If Gorsuch was, like, a member of the American Nazi Party, or talked about abolishing the Supreme Court, that would be one thing. But he seems to be inside the mainstream.

I know how to fight. But I also know when to fight.

If Democrats don't put up a fight, don't think for a second they will earn even a sliver of respect from McConnell and Co. The scenario where Democrats continue to be responsible adults and Republicans are shamed into doing the same is a complete fantasy. I'm tired of believing in it, so are most Democrats.

Shake a Republicans hand, and the last thing you'll hear is a whispered "Lol get cucked libtard" as he stabs you in the back.

[Blue3]

Should we really take that risk for some short-term feel-good showmanship?
 
I want to fight Trump and the Republicans and fight hard, such as on the refugee/immigrant/travel ban. That's probably the worst thing he's done so far when it comes to official policy put forth as President, I think we can all agree. Yet we are LOSING at the polls on that key issue. If we can't yet get people to rally with us on that, I think a move like this could really come back to haunt us.



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We're NEVER going to get their respect, fight or not. And of course shaming doesn't work, I never expected it would over the last 8 years. This is about putting those childish things behind us. We have bigger things to focus on.

[Mr. Reactionary]

If Democrats don't put up a fight, don't think for a second they will earn even a sliver of respect from McConnell and Co. The scenario where Democrats continue to be responsible adults and Republicans are shamed into doing the same is a complete fantasy. I'm tired of believing in it, so are most Democrats.

Shake a Republicans hand, and the last thing you'll hear is a whispered "Lol get cucked libtard" as he stabs you in the back.

If we're playing by prison yard rules you don't filibuster, you deck the biggest, toughest guy there. Chuck Schumer's strategy should be to punch John Thune in the nose. Then McConnell will have to respect the Democrats and let them lift weights in the yard or whatever.

[publicunofficial]

Should we really take that risk for some short-term feel-good showmanship?
 
I want to fight Trump and the Republicans and fight hard, such as on the refugee/immigrant/travel ban. That's probably the worst thing he's done so far when it comes to official policy put forth as President, I think we can all agree. Yet we are LOSING at the polls on that key issue. If we can't yet get people to rally with us on that, I think a move like this could really come back to haunt us.



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We're NEVER going to get their respect, fight or not. And of course shaming doesn't work, I never expected it would over the last 8 years. This is about putting those childish things behind us. We have bigger things to focus on.

What "fights" do you suggest the Democrats pick, and how do you suggest fighting them?

[Devout Centrist]

Won't matter, he'll sail through and seeing the GOP worrying about a second Souter is an absolute joke.

Maybe get a Justice who says he'll overturn Texas v. White if you're that worried.

[Blue3]

On policy issues that actually hurt people (who, how many, how, why, etc.), and prioritize from there.

Like I said, that ban is the big thing so far. If the "deporting legal immigrants on Medicaid" thing happens, then that would be another one.

An appointment by itself isn't an issue like this, unless they're Joker-class. If Bannon and Flynn needed Senate confirmation, I'd be for blocking them. But the people who wanted to block Mattis? No.

The Wall is stupid and expensive, but not in the hundreds of billions and doesn't actively hurt anyone. This Ban does, and so would any mass deportation beyond criminals.

We aren't in power. If we keep expending energy and keep losing, the base will be discouraged. If we pick battles wisely, then we may actually win some of them, and give us momentum.

And when we do pick a fight, we fight with everything we've got, breaking all precedent if we have to, by tooth and nail we fight until we win or we die.

[JGibson]

#FilibusterGorsuch. The seat was stolen from Merrick Garland.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

On policy issues that actually hurt people (who, how many, how, why, etc.), and prioritize from there.

Like I said, that ban is the big thing so far. If the "deporting legal immigrants on Medicaid" thing happens, then that would be another one.

An appointment by itself isn't an issue like this, unless they're Joker-class. If Bannon and Flynn needed Senate confirmation, I'd be for blocking them. But the people who wanted to block Mattis? No.

The Wall is stupid and expensive, but not in the hundreds of billions and doesn't actively hurt anyone. This Ban does, and so would any mass deportation beyond criminals.

We aren't in power. If we keep expending energy and keep losing, the base will be discouraged. If we pick battles wisely, then we may actually win some of them, and give us momentum.

And when we do pick a fight, we fight with everything we've got, breaking all precedent if we have to, by tooth and nail we fight until we win or we die.

All due respect, but people like you are why no one takes the Democratic Party seriously.

[Blue3]

How?

People are sick of Washington games and gridlock. That's why enough people wanted Trump to go in with a sledgehammer.

We are out of power. Public opinion might not personally approve of Trump, but on the biggest policy controversy so far (the ban or whatever you call it), we are losing in public opinion even with it being so high-profile with high-profile protests.

We need to spell out when Republican policies will hurt people, and do all we can to stop the hurt.

[publicunofficial]

On policy issues that actually hurt people (who, how many, how, why, etc.), and prioritize from there.

Like I said, that ban is the big thing so far. If the "deporting legal immigrants on Medicaid" thing happens, then that would be another one.

An appointment by itself isn't an issue like this, unless they're Joker-class. If Bannon and Flynn needed Senate confirmation, I'd be for blocking them. But the people who wanted to block Mattis? No.

The Wall is stupid and expensive, but not in the hundreds of billions and doesn't actively hurt anyone. This Ban does, and so would any mass deportation beyond criminals.

We aren't in power. If we keep expending energy and keep losing, the base will be discouraged. If we pick battles wisely, then we may actually win some of them, and give us momentum.

And when we do pick a fight, we fight with everything we've got, breaking all precedent if we have to, by tooth and nail we fight until we win or we die.

I cannot think of anything that would discourage the base more than saying "Y'know what, this wall thing isn't really a big deal. Let's just roll over". You're about as in touch with the party base as David Brock is.

[Blue3]

I'm not saying roll over on the Wall. But at the end of the day, it's a symbol, and shouldn't be given highest priority, something we're willing to break precedent and escalate things for.

Like I just said:

People are sick of Washington games and gridlock. That's why enough people wanted Trump to go in with a sledgehammer.

We are out of power. Public opinion might not personally approve of Trump, but on the biggest policy controversy so far (the ban or whatever you call it), we are losing in public opinion even with it being so high-profile with high-profile protests.

We need to spell out when Republican policies will hurt people, and do all we can to stop the hurt.

[publicunofficial]

"People are sick of gridlock. Which is why they rewarded the party causing the gridlock."

[Mr. Reactionary]

#FilibusterGorsuch. The seat was stolen from Merrick Garland.

#FilibusterKennedy. The seat was stolen from Robert Bork.

[publicunofficial]

Why I hate the GOP, in two quotes:

[Blue3]

"People are sick of gridlock. Which is why they rewarded the party causing the gridlock."

Not everyone follows politics like us, or understands government. So many blamed Obama. It's why we also need a civics education overhaul.

They chose Trump not because he was a Republican, but because he was a smasher, a stinkbomb, they could throw in DC for not getting what they wanted from government.



edit: There's lots of hypocritical Democrats too.

[Mr. Reactionary]

Why I hate the GOP, in two quotes:

Yes. Republicans are gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawlies. Why act like a gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawly that you admittedly hate?

[Hindsight was 2020]

Why I hate the GOP, in two quotes:

Yes. Republicans are gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawlies. Why act like a gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawly that you admittedly hate?

Because we a sick of constantly being punished for being the adults in the room

[publicunofficial]

Why I hate the GOP, in two quotes:

Yes. Republicans are gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawlies. Why act like a gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawly that you admittedly hate?

Because apparently it's endearing to America's heartland, and the other way doesn't work.

[Xing]

Why I hate the GOP, in two quotes:

Yes. Republicans are gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawlies. Why act like a gross, slimy, disgusting creepy crawly that you admittedly hate?

I want to believe that there's another way to push back against Congressional Republicans and Trump. However, the election we just had suggests differently, and Trump isn't wasting any time with his new power. Sometimes, you have no choice but to fight fire with fire, much as it pains me to say this.

[publicunofficial]

In regards to the "Can political discourse go on like this forever?" debate, I've been thinking about this quote a lot lately:



I've been thinking the latter half of Lincoln's ultimatum is very very likely. Sooner than we think.