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Franzl
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« on: January 20, 2010, 02:28:57 AM »

The American working class is too dumb to see which major party cares more about their interests.

That shouldn't be interpreted to mean that Democrats actually do care about them, but certainly more so than Republicans.
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Franzl
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 11:18:31 AM »

Historically, the Democats' ideas to help the poor end up dragging down the middle class or inadvertantly hurting the poor. Roosevelt's social security will bankrupt the millennials, Medicare will run deficits very soon, welfare encouraged the poor to have lots of children out of wedloc, etc, etc.

Generally, the middle-class doesn't trust social programs.

I don't possibly see how you can argue that Social Security has caused people to become poor.

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Franzl
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« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2010, 11:27:35 AM »

Most of the religious simply cluck their tongues and say, "Ah well, the poor we will always have with us.  How is my 401-K doing?"
Until energy is (basically) free and robots can do most menial labor* (or we lose +75% of our species), we will always have poor people....even in the best of scenarios (shy of some sort of supernatural worldwide mind farking).





*both are plausible in the next several decades

Absolutely right, Dead.  I don't dispute the veracity of the statement, only the morality of it.  We will always have disease of some sort, but that should never discourage us from trying to work for better treatments and even cures.

We'll always have poor people in a capitalist system (although usually fewer than in a socialist system), but there are ways to avoid extreme and massive poverty in market economies, which is usually refered to as the welfare state.

At the same time, we need to increase competitiveness, such as through further investments in education, to decrease the number of people that actually become dependent on welfare.

Such things also include guaranteed healthcare, which is a perfectly legitimate idea to someone like me that doesn't like government all that much.


So yeah, while there will always be poor people, you're very right that it should always be society's goal to decrease poverty and make living conditions for poor people better.
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Franzl
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« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 11:52:07 AM »

The countries you mentioned, JS, are still capitalist countries, albeit with highly developed and effective welfare states.

I don't consider them socialist countries. I was thinking more about real communism Wink
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