Lumine's Election and Political Tracker (Epilogue) - Tracker Closed

[Napoleon]

I will only say this once and never again - I find it interesting that the Federalist Party, who voted in such away that almost knocked off their incumbent President because of his lack of fight for Federalist causes, when faced with the option of two candidates who, both are qualified, but one clearly had a better record on those causes, chose the more liberal option. Not all of them, but a very large chunk of them.

Although 16% of Federalists voting for Hagrid/Tmth, imaginary ticket, can't be a good sign for enthusiasm either way.

Here's (one thing) that I found interesting: even though DemPGH currently has 44% of the Federalist Party's support, he would still be ahead in this race by several votes if all of them had voted for Sirnick. A rather odd dynamic. While it could ultimately change, as of now, it'd appear that the Federalists themselves aren't deciding this election (not that I don't appreciate their votes for DemPGH).

DemPGH has a very broad coalition of voters it seems.

There's an interesting dynamic at play here. Sirnick hurt his candidacy by staying out of a feature office for four months. However, a large portion of voters are supporting the ticket due to running mate Dallasfan and his record as Sirnick's successor. And while in the past we have seen Labor candidates attacked for being partisan, DemPGH has always stood above the pettiness so that angle doesn't work this time, which is why that Riley kid tried to make it about windjammer. And the obnoxious antics from what Atlasia would have to consider the far right have supplanted Labor as the loudest, meaning that even though sirnick isn't associated strongly with those types, he doesn't have he benefit of an anti-Labor sentiment that was stronger in the past.

[Napoleon]

[Napoleon]

The sentiments expressed by Zuwo and Clarence reflect to a large extent the sentiment amongst the Federalists who have voted for DemPGH either as one or the other sentiment or a combination of the two. Not having a Federalist in this race combined with the Laborites running DemPGH instead of someone else, meant that a lot of Federalists felt no cause of concern about the White House going to Labor. DemPGH, even when he was just considering running for At-Large Senate in December, was looked upon favorably as a possible candidate for that "Third Non-Federalist At-Large Senator" by the Party, he was a great VP and a fair administrator of the Senate.

I actually agree completely that with - I think DemPGH is going to make a very good President, just as he did a very good Governor. With the way the results are looking I'm disappointed for SirNick, but both choices were very capable in this election.

But the fact is that President DemPGH and, with him, Vice-President Windjammer means total Labor Party control of the government, with the ability to pass their entire platform unhindered. That's what the Federalists who voted for DemPGH voted for. That doesn't particularly bother me, but I'm not a Federalist - it's literally unjustifiable from a "centre-right" or remotely "conservative" perspective, and, as I said earlier, really might mark the end of the Federalists as a party worth taking seriously.

Why is anyone taking a party that rarely bothers fielding a candidate in national races seriously in the first place?

And I don't recall you sharing these sort of opinions when they supported Snowstalker, a much more left wing character than DemPGH.

[Napoleon]

Matt was an awesome veep

[Napoleon]

What happened in March?

[Napoleon]

What happened in March?

My mom's fiancee passed away.

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Napoleon]

Why would an actual libertarian vote for the atlasian right? The things they support economically are either already in place or have no chance of passing. There is a larger portion of voters that are socially authoritarian than there is economically right wing voters.

[Napoleon]

Picking a VP that supported TNF over the federalist ticket didn't help his cause with anyone but the far left, who were never going to support him anyway, but he already knows my views on that.

All the vp candidates voted for the better ticket last go round.

[Napoleon]

Why would an actual libertarian vote for the atlasian right? The things they support economically are either already in place or have no chance of passing. There is a larger portion of voters that are socially authoritarian than there is economically right wing voters.

Most of the Libertarian views on social issues are already in place is well though. You vote based on the where the ground is to be gained, otherwise the game is over for you is it not?

Didn't the Liberal Party run into that problem by your own admission? "It accomplished what it set out to do" and now the left is dominated by the Labor Party.

And when the D-Rs accomplish what they want to do, they will probably take the same route. However, the difference is that the D-Rs do not and will never reach the heights that the Liberals did so its not apples to apples.

Evidence: look at how Labor members like myself and SWE have worked with Governor Dallasfan and compare it to how your party and that keaton kid treated Spiral when he was Governor.

[Napoleon]

What ideas have the Federalists come up with? How have they articulated an opposition to Labor that could persuade people in the middle that voting for their opponents would be a bad idea?

What was Sirnick's basis for convincing voters they should vote for him instead of DemPGH?

I don't know. I mean I'm sure there is a viable way to build a coalition that could claim that they oppose nationalising everything under the sun.

The problem with social issues is that people keep on inventing things to liberalise, like this polygamy thing or blanket drug decriminalisation. On the other hand TNF is rehashing ideas that were rather tired 70 years ago.

THat a key TPP member's first response to that question is "I don't know", should be alarming, Sirnick.

Oh come on, its easy to pile on sirnick now that he is getting creamed but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

[Napoleon]

You are building this coalition by appointing someone who supported TNF over a Federalist? Acting like one can accomplish "social goals" is a fools errand, as I said, we can always invent some new social issue. Right now the D-Rs are pretty much just a social liberal party, I don't see much fiscal conservatism being effected from them.

Indeed, I have more faith right now that Windjammer as the Senate's tie breaker would be more socially conservative than the guy- good guy he is- who gave the NE polygamy and child pornography.

You're not going to get all the people under this tent to agree on everything. But you need to cast it as widely as possible. Now you have me thinking I should join the Feds, if they appoint me their chairman. After all, I did found the Whig Party...

Oh come on, its easy to pile on sirnick now that he is getting creamed but lets not act like simfan isn't a right wing federalist who has played a big part in spreading petty attacks against the left. He's closer to a Riley than a sirnick.

I thought we'd put the past behind us, Napoleon.

Its an objective observation. Did you not say that "as far as I am concerned, anyone in Labor is TNF"?

[Napoleon]

As I said earlier, sirnick would have benefitted by staying on as governor/if he ran and won, but its a catch 22 or whatevs because his runningmate brought a lot of votes for holding that same office.

[Napoleon]

That was a consideration before I cast my vote, but thanks for being so concerned about my opinion.

Although I expect it will happen, I think it would be a mistake for DemPGH and windjammer to let this come to pass as one of their first moves in power. They know who it was that pushed them over the finish line, and to blatantly take a crap on those people right away would completely undermine their mandate for the next four months, poisoning the well for Labor candidates in the future. Still, I can accept some responsibility for it if need be. To see the whining that's gone on here in the last ~14 hours has assured me that I picked the right team.

At this juncture, DemPGH has the choice right out of the gate between a presidency that tanks like Napoleon's or one that sees good feelings in Atlasa like Marokai's. We'll see how it goes.

Lol @ everything said here.